For those saying the Saints are miles away from contending

lee909 · 01-01-2016, 11:02 AM

IMHO those saying the Saints are a long way off contending for titles are wrong.
Look at the core of the team and add some savy FA additions and good rookie scouting

Offensive Line
Armstead,Unger and Peat is a good basis of a line. Kelemete,Lelito and Evans all great level for back ups (if Evans good stay fit he's still a high quality starter. Strief offers good cover at Tackle. So a couple of guards short

Backfield
Ingram,Robinson,Hightower,Cadet
Its a nice RB core,id like to see some more speed back there but i can see Cadet staying with money being short this summer. While he isnt the second coming of Sproles he has good qualities to offer. Only concern back there is health.

QB
Brees,notjing else needs asdded. We live or die by his health

WR
A really nice toung pairing off Cooks and Snead. Coleman needs to show he can take over from Colston. Colston best days are gone sadly,too many big hits have left him struggling health wise. I love everything the man has given but its s massive paycuy or gone imo. Add a good size/speed guy in the mid rounds of the draft/FA to help stretch the field snd allow Cooks to be a moveable piece and its good. Not sure what anyone else thinks of them but if Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu hit FA they could be a good salary to performance pick up. They are not going to take big money but will be getting the sort of money the Saints could offer.

Defense
Defensive Line
This is the biggest drawback to the team.
Jordan is good but outside of that nearly everyone is rotation level at best. So your looking at soending snd drafting hesvy here

Linebackers
Kikaha and Anthony is a really nice start but again another starter and depth are needed here. Ellerbe is good but a massive health concern

Secondary
Breaux-Lewis is a gsntastic 1-2 at CB
If fit it allows Browner to be cut or moved inside. Byrd needs to step up and Vaccaro needs to be more consistent. But Bush and Sunseri offer good depth.

I really dont see us far away. A great offseason and possible run in the playoffs is easily achievable,just a good offseason makes us candidates for scrapping back in. Its all about securing both offensive and defensive lines and a upgrade at linebacker.

vpheughan · 01-01-2016, 12:19 PM

I really don't understand how any Saints Fan could think that. The team we are looking at are proof you can go from "worst" to "first" in a year. Remember 2006? 3-13 to 10-6 and the NFL Championship game.

|Mitch| · 01-01-2016, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Secondary
Breaux-Lewis is a gsntastic 1-2 at CB
If fit it allows Browner to be cut or moved inside. Byrd needs to step up and Vaccaro needs to be more consistent. But Bush and Sunseri offer good depth.

I disagree with this; Lewis is too much of an unknown to rely on him as a starter. He's battled injuries the past couple of seasons and who knows if he'll ever be 100% again...

I think we should spend a mid to high on a cornerback, or pick one up in free agency if they are starter worthy... PJ Williams may be the answer, but still an unknown.

vpheughan · 01-01-2016, 06:37 PM

They aren't miles away! 4,236'!

blackangold · 01-01-2016, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

I really don't understand how any Saints Fan could think that. The team we are looking at are proof you can go from "worst" to "first" in a year. Remember 2006? 3-13 to 10-6 and the NFL Championship game.

The real question is do you remember 2009?

07 and 08 were both awful seasons. No one thought 2009 would be any different.

spkb25 · 01-01-2016, 07:22 PM

Um Strief is not reliable at all anymore, or at least not this season, if Peat doesn't take over we are doomed...

voodooido · 01-01-2016, 09:26 PM

I still think we should go OT/OG/DT/OLB/WR in that order.

The Dude · 01-01-2016, 11:10 PM

It isnt all that bad. A WR, a pass rusher next to Jordan, and some protection puts us back in the hunt. A TE wouldnt hurt either. People forget that we did a MAJOR defensive overhaul this offseason and are starting more rookies than any other team in the NFL. The good news is that these rookies look like they will all be very legitimate starters for years to come.
Anthony, Breaux, Kihaha, and Swann if he can get his head fixed will all be very good. We also have a couple of more than capable guys on IR who never even played this year.

44Champs · 01-01-2016, 11:17 PM

I agree, but we need to keep Sean Payton.

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SmashMouth · 01-01-2016, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

IMHO those saying the Saints are a long way off contending for titles are wrong.
Look at the core of the team and add some savy FA additions and good rookie scouting

Offensive Line
Armstead,Unger and Peat is a good basis of a line. Kelemete,Lelito and Evans all great level for back ups (if Evans good stay fit he's still a high quality starter. Strief offers good cover at Tackle. So a couple of guards short

Backfield
Ingram,Robinson,Hightower,Cadet
Its a nice RB core,id like to see some more speed back there but i can see Cadet staying with money being short this summer. While he isnt the second coming of Sproles he has good qualities to offer. Only concern back there is health.

QB
Brees,notjing else needs asdded. We live or die by his health

WR
A really nice toung pairing off Cooks and Snead. Coleman needs to show he can take over from Colston. Colston best days are gone sadly,too many big hits have left him struggling health wise. I love everything the man has given but its s massive paycuy or gone imo. Add a good size/speed guy in the mid rounds of the draft/FA to help stretch the field snd allow Cooks to be a moveable piece and its good. Not sure what anyone else thinks of them but if Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu hit FA they could be a good salary to performance pick up. They are not going to take big money but will be getting the sort of money the Saints could offer.

Defense
Defensive Line
This is the biggest drawback to the team.
Jordan is good but outside of that nearly everyone is rotation level at best. So your looking at soending snd drafting hesvy here

Linebackers
Kikaha and Anthony is a really nice start but again another starter and depth are needed here. Ellerbe is good but a massive health concern

Secondary
Breaux-Lewis is a gsntastic 1-2 at CB
If fit it allows Browner to be cut or moved inside. Byrd needs to step up and Vaccaro needs to be more consistent. But Bush and Sunseri offer good depth.

I really dont see us far away. A great offseason and possible run in the playoffs is easily achievable,just a good offseason makes us candidates for scrapping back in. Its all about securing both offensive and defensive lines and a upgrade at linebacker.

01-01-2016, 11:02 AM	#1
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	For those saying the Saints are miles away from contending IMHO those saying the Saints are a long way off contending for titles are wrong. Look at the core of the team and add some savy FA additions and good rookie scouting Offensive Line Armstead,Unger and Peat is a good basis of a line. Kelemete,Lelito and Evans all great level for back ups (if Evans good stay fit he's still a high quality starter. Strief offers good cover at Tackle. So a couple of guards short Backfield Ingram,Robinson,Hightower,Cadet Its a nice RB core,id like to see some more speed back there but i can see Cadet staying with money being short this summer. While he isnt the second coming of Sproles he has good qualities to offer. Only concern back there is health. QB Brees,notjing else needs asdded. We live or die by his health WR A really nice toung pairing off Cooks and Snead. Coleman needs to show he can take over from Colston. Colston best days are gone sadly,too many big hits have left him struggling health wise. I love everything the man has given but its s massive paycuy or gone imo. Add a good size/speed guy in the mid rounds of the draft/FA to help stretch the field snd allow Cooks to be a moveable piece and its good. Not sure what anyone else thinks of them but if Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu hit FA they could be a good salary to performance pick up. They are not going to take big money but will be getting the sort of money the Saints could offer. Defense Defensive Line This is the biggest drawback to the team. Jordan is good but outside of that nearly everyone is rotation level at best. So your looking at soending snd drafting hesvy here Linebackers Kikaha and Anthony is a really nice start but again another starter and depth are needed here. Ellerbe is good but a massive health concern Secondary Breaux-Lewis is a gsntastic 1-2 at CB If fit it allows Browner to be cut or moved inside. Byrd needs to step up and Vaccaro needs to be more consistent. But Bush and Sunseri offer good depth. I really dont see us far away. A great offseason and possible run in the playoffs is easily achievable,just a good offseason makes us candidates for scrapping back in. Its all about securing both offensive and defensive lines and a upgrade at linebacker. saintfan, jnormand, Danno and 3 others like this.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: For those saying the Saints are miles away from contending Originally Posted by lee909 Secondary Breaux-Lewis is a gsntastic 1-2 at CB If fit it allows Browner to be cut or moved inside. Byrd needs to step up and Vaccaro needs to be more consistent. But Bush and Sunseri offer good depth. I disagree with this; Lewis is too much of an unknown to rely on him as a starter. He's battled injuries the past couple of seasons and who knows if he'll ever be 100% again... I think we should spend a mid to high on a cornerback, or pick one up in free agency if they are starter worthy... PJ Williams may be the answer, but still an unknown. rezburna likes this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: For those saying the Saints are miles away from contending Originally Posted by vpheughan I really don't understand how any Saints Fan could think that. The team we are looking at are proof you can go from "worst" to "first" in a year. Remember 2006? 3-13 to 10-6 and the NFL Championship game. The real question is do you remember 2009? 07 and 08 were both awful seasons. No one thought 2009 would be any different.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: For those saying the Saints are miles away from contending It isnt all that bad. A WR, a pass rusher next to Jordan, and some protection puts us back in the hunt. A TE wouldnt hurt either. People forget that we did a MAJOR defensive overhaul this offseason and are starting more rookies than any other team in the NFL. The good news is that these rookies look like they will all be very legitimate starters for years to come. Anthony, Breaux, Kihaha, and Swann if he can get his head fixed will all be very good. We also have a couple of more than capable guys on IR who never even played this year. jnormand likes this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,930 Blog Entries: 29	Re: For those saying the Saints are miles away from contending Originally Posted by lee909 IMHO those saying the Saints are a long way off contending for titles are wrong. Look at the core of the team and add some savy FA additions and good rookie scouting Offensive Line Armstead,Unger and Peat is a good basis of a line. Kelemete,Lelito and Evans all great level for back ups (if Evans good stay fit he's still a high quality starter. Strief offers good cover at Tackle. So a couple of guards short Backfield Ingram,Robinson,Hightower,Cadet Its a nice RB core,id like to see some more speed back there but i can see Cadet staying with money being short this summer. While he isnt the second coming of Sproles he has good qualities to offer. Only concern back there is health. QB Brees,notjing else needs asdded. We live or die by his health WR A really nice toung pairing off Cooks and Snead. Coleman needs to show he can take over from Colston. Colston best days are gone sadly,too many big hits have left him struggling health wise. I love everything the man has given but its s massive paycuy or gone imo. Add a good size/speed guy in the mid rounds of the draft/FA to help stretch the field snd allow Cooks to be a moveable piece and its good. Not sure what anyone else thinks of them but if Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu hit FA they could be a good salary to performance pick up. They are not going to take big money but will be getting the sort of money the Saints could offer. Defense Defensive Line This is the biggest drawback to the team. Jordan is good but outside of that nearly everyone is rotation level at best. So your looking at soending snd drafting hesvy here Linebackers Kikaha and Anthony is a really nice start but again another starter and depth are needed here. Ellerbe is good but a massive health concern Secondary Breaux-Lewis is a gsntastic 1-2 at CB If fit it allows Browner to be cut or moved inside. Byrd needs to step up and Vaccaro needs to be more consistent. But Bush and Sunseri offer good depth. I really dont see us far away. A great offseason and possible run in the playoffs is easily achievable,just a good offseason makes us candidates for scrapping back in. Its all about securing both offensive and defensive lines and a upgrade at linebacker. jnormand and SaintFanQ like this.

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