Saints final grades and team snap counts
 

2015 New Orleans Saints final grades and team snap counts

Some interesting numbers on there. Stephone Anthony and Watson have some bad grades. Browner... pretty accurate.

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Ahh ... and on defense there was Cam, Breaux and everyone else.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the 2nd time in 5 years the defense was the worst in league history or near the worst :rolleyes: . I know some may want Treadwell as the potential #1 pick but I sure hope this is not the case. The defense for 2016 needs serious attention, rather than trying to compensate with more points and offense.

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K, you seriously think on key 3rd and long plays we could trust Coleman's hands?!?

I like the kid, but he's a no. 4 for us...

We've got to have that "x" receiver who can run good routes, post out the defender and make the tough catches as Colston had done in previous seasons; that'll keep us on the right side of time of possession and keep the defense, RESTED, on the sidelines...

This is a deep draft for defensive linemen and they'll be some linebackers throughout as well; assuming of course we know what scheme will front on defense...

Treadwell is the goods and if he fell to us, we should grab him...

I wince making this comparison, but he's a Dez Bryant with maybe a little less vertical speed (i.e. Michael Irvin, Eric Martin)...

On offense we're just that receiver and a guard away from becoming that offense that can do it all game long, closing games out instead of being a yards league leader monster with a record hovering around .500...

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I can agree with grabbing a guard but for my money I'd take the TE from Arkansas (Henry) & call it a wrap on offense. The Saints have never had a Treadwell yet we are always top 10. Seattle, Panthers and Pats don't have one either. I have nothing against the kid, he will be solid but it's not what we need at #1.

At the end of the day, defense is still a major concern & our inability to cover TE's (Myles Jack comes to mind) is alarming. Add FA and a VET WR/Dline and pass rusher. I still say you win this game down in the trenches.

There is no doubt the Saints need a WR but whether they snag one in rd #1 is another question.

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Has any full season starter ever received a grade worse than Browner's?

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I would add one more offensive player to the list

WR Tajae Sharpe UMass love this kids game

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For me, I don't think we need a 1st round WR. I look at our offense, and we are consistently in the top 5 in offense, and usually top 3 in passing yards. Brees can make the people around him good given time in the pocket. I look at last years 1st round WR picks, and only Cooper really had a standout season. Kevin White was injured, Davante Parker didn't do much in Miami until the back half of the season, Nelson Agholor was ok, Breshad Perrimen was hurt, Phillip Dorsett didn't do much... I think we can wait until a later round and get a solid receiver. With a defense that was the worst, or towards the worst in the NFL hree of the last four seasons, we need to work on stopping opposing offenses from scoring. Plus adding a new OG to protect Brees in the middle.

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Coleman is going to be a stud next year.

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I think he can to. I like the TE from Arkansas. I still take a OG in the 1st then concentrate on a DE, I like a DE to be 305 to 315 lbs.

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Not aggressive enough for a guy his size. I don't think we'll see a jump to stud. I think he jumps to slightly above average, which is still great for a 4th WR.

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Not aggressive enough?

Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros.

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I've seen numerous plays where he just didn't fight for the ball like a guy his size should. I know I can't be the only one that noticed that. I think several posters have made the same comment about him.

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We have too many holes to fill to take a guard in the first round. Don't get me wrong......give Drew a little time and he will slice up a defense. We need a guard just not in the first round. I think we need to draft skill positions in the first round.

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I don't put a ton of stock in PFF's grades. The eye-ball test works better. They can be bang on accurate such as the case for Browner but seriously is anyone here unimpressed with Anthony or deserving of such a low grade? Was Jenkins that much better? Anthony, while making many rookie mistakes was no doubt a guy who can make splash plays which is a hard commodity to find.

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We had the number 1 passing offense (by over 20 yds per game over 2nd place), were 2nd overall in total yards.

I'm for spending every pick on defense

Doesn't matter who we have at receiver / TE; Brees turns them into stars. No Graham? no problem. Who had even heard of Snead before? 1000 yards.
We're looking at 7 wins again if we don't get 3 new starters on defense

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I agree, sort of. I am ALWAYS for picking BPA If that happens to be a guard fine, otherwise I see no need to reach for one. I'd like for us to go the Carl Nicks route and pick an offensive tackle and convert him to guard to get a big athletic guy next to Unger.

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I like PFF's grades in general but sometimes they might come across as misleading. I think that usually comes down to a lack of info on how they have made a certain grade. Anthony's left me scratching my head.

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I've noticed that a penalty can neutralize a pretty good game by a player.

His problem was pass protection, which is difficult to grade because we really don't know how deep he's supposed to cover. Is it his fault or was the safety supposed to pick up the WR?

Mistakes by one player can look like a mistake by a different player who noticed the error and tried to compensate.

It happened to Shanle and Harper a lot. They were blamed many times for someone else's error, just because they were the closest player around. Gregg Williams had a great discussion about that several years ago.

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Anthony has a long way to go.

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You trust those stonehands? Treadwell is already better and hasn't played an NFL down...

Coleman has worked his butt off and deserves a roster spot, but don't see him as our "x" receiver...

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Stephone Anthony is already the best MLB we've had...

Look at his playmaking ability and results in just his rookie season...

He was a no-brainer with the 31st pick, and will be the anchor of that defense for years to come...

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He was good this year but was he better than Vilma, Mills, Johnson, Fields?

I am excited about Anthony too but lets keep som perspective.

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I know a lot of people say not to draft for need, and to take your highest graded player. But being solid up front on both sides of the ball is so crucial. QB is the single most important position in football today, but the overall foundation of your team starts up front. We are desperately lacking in multiple spots across both lines.

With that in mind, IF we go offense early I would like to see it used on a mauling offensive lineman. I haven't really sifted through the players to identify a specific name yet that I would like to draft, but that is a top priority. I think if the team is smart they can find that in the second round. They have to stop reaching for projects and find a good solid player like the Panthers got in Trai Turner. People like him are overlooked every year, because of some mythical flaw. When I see a guy running over high level competition, I don't care about his technique. He's ready.

I'd definite be looking at DT or a rangy OLB who can cover the intermediate areas and make sure tackles. Don't want another Sedrick Hodge, who can run like the wind but has zero instincts.

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Anthony - Did very well considering all that dumped on him
Breaux - besides a few blopper moves what a great find
Snead - not a TD monster but the kid has guts. maybe a touch to much
Coleman - major strides all in the right direction.

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I've not seen all the cause for hype with him, not that I think he was terrible or anything, but I can respect people's opinion if they have seen something that truly impresses them...

But I don't know how you can call him the best MLB we've had. I hope that one day he becomes all that. Right now he isn't close.

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I'm with you. I believe a guard needs to be a higher priority, but I don't think any of them grades out to be a top 15 pick in this draft. more bottom of round one or round 2 guards. WHen it comes to BPA, we have various spots on defense (DT, DE, OLB) that need some attention and someone will be there at one of those positions when we pick. We can totally grab a top 3 guard in round 2, if we go that route

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Vilma was pretty darn good for us, and that was later in his career