Scouts take: What Payton Wants

nola_swammi · 01-06-2016, 05:44 PM

What he trying to say is we need a G.M. with knowledgable scouts not a G.M. that watch ESPN or NFL network with Deion saying "pay the man"

Danno · 01-06-2016, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

What he trying to say is we need a G.M. with knowledgable scouts not a g.m. That watch ESPN or NFL network with Deion saying "pay the man"

Say what?

CharityMike · 01-06-2016, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

What he trying to say is we need a G.M. with knowledgable scouts not a g.m. That watch ESPN or NFL network with Deion saying "pay the man"

I don't have a clue.

nola_swammi · 01-06-2016, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I don't have a clue.

Plain and simple for you! We need scouts that know how to evaluate talent

Danno · 01-06-2016, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Plain and simple for you! We need scouts that know how to evaluate talent

Well it appears we may have finally found them, based on our 2015 draft.

burningmetal · 01-08-2016, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well it appears we may have finally found them, based on our 2015 draft.

It was a better draft. But that shouldn't have been hard to do... In all seriousness, I did like some of the picks but I still hate the selection of Peat. That was really a whiff, in my opinion. I know it's early, but I'm just not catching any warm, fuzzy feelings about him developing.

Kikaha has a lot left to prove. I love his attitude and burst, but not much else... Yet. I've got more patience with him. He's very one dimensional right now, but he does do a good job of stripping the ball out when he gets the chance.

Anthony was just ok, to me. I'm not sure what we have in him. It would be nice if Ellerbe could stay healthy so we could see how those two feed off each other.

CharityMike · 01-08-2016, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It was a better draft. But that shouldn't have been hard to do... In all seriousness, I did like some of the picks but I still hate the selection of Peat. That was really a whiff, in my opinion. I know it's early, but I'm just not catching any warm, fuzzy feelings about him developing.

Kikaha has a lot left to prove. I love his attitude and burst, but not much else... Yet. I've got more patience with him. He's very one dimensional right now, but he does do a good job of stripping the ball out when he gets the chance.

Anthony was just ok, to me. I'm not sure what we have in him. It would be nice if Ellerbe could stay healthy so we could see how those two feed off each other.

I'll give you the Peet pick. That has shown, as of now, to be the worst one of the draft but who knows, he has the size and tools to be good, he just needs to get it together. Some players take longer to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

As far as Anthony and Kikaha, c'mon man. Anthony was given the rains to run the defense as a rookie! Under the likes of RR coaching. Did he make mistakes, of course, he is a ROOKIE. I don't know what expectations you had but they sound like they are a little to much. Kikaha is another one. He makes plays PERIOD. What more can you ask for? You have to remember, these guys are coming straight in from college and are starting in the NFL where its like playing the best players every week.There is an adjustment period and I believe these guys arrows are pointing up.

I think all things considered, we have some solid players that will be on this team for awhile. That draft seems to be one of the better ones we have had in some years but I don't think it's just a coincidence that it happened as soon as Ireland got here.

burningmetal · 01-08-2016, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I'll give you the Peet pick. That has shown, as of now, to be the worst one of the draft but who knows, he has the size and tools to be good, he just needs to get it together. Some players take longer to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

As far as Anthony and Kikaha, c'mon man. Anthony was given the rains to run the defense as a rookie! Under the likes of RR coaching. Did he make mistakes, of course, he is a ROOKIE. I don't know what expectations you had but they sound like they are a little to much. Kikaha is another one. He makes plays PERIOD. What more can you ask for? You have to remember, these guys are coming straight in from college and are starting in the NFL where its like playing the best players every week.There is an adjustment period and I believe these guys arrows are pointing up.

I think all things considered, we have some solid players that will be on this team for awhile. That draft seems to be one of the better ones we have had in some years but I don't think it's just a coincidence that it happened as soon as Ireland got here.

I don't see where anything I said was unfair. I mentioned the positives with Kikaha, but I kind of pointed out the obvious that he's one dimensional. That was said about him in college, not just as a rookie in the NFL, and it showed. He gets blown out of plays because he doesn't change directions very well. I've always said if he can fix that he'll be great. But for now, it is as advertised.

I'm aware that Anthony was part of an awful defense. That's why I specifically said "I don't know what we have in him". He looked like a rookie. I know it's easy to say that, well, he's a rookie so he should play like one. I didn't see enough that stood out with him. I didn't expect pro bowler. I didn't exactly jump for joy when they drafted him.

Like I said, I thought he was ok. Let's see what he does moving forward. No harm in that, is there?

Lastly, I'm not on the Jeff Ireland love boat. Last I saw of him before he came here, he was getting fired from a sinking ship in Miami. I don't know why I'm supposed to expect great things from him. So I am just waiting to see how he does over an extended period of time. So far the needle has moved a little, at least with the last draft, in the right direction, but as you can see I remain skeptical.

CharityMike · 01-06-2016, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Plain and simple for you! We need scouts that know how to evaluate talent

Well, if last draft is an indicator of what we can expect, I think we have that now. Speak Engrish next time

nola_swammi · 01-06-2016, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Well, if last draft is an indicator of what we can expect, I think we have that now. Speak Engrish next time

It was my punctuation. Next time read a little slower and you will notice that I must use spell check. You might want to try it. Engrish?

01-06-2016, 05:44 PM	#1
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants What he trying to say is we need a G.M. with knowledgable scouts not a G.M. that watch ESPN or NFL network with Deion saying "pay the man" jeanpierre likes this.

01-06-2016, 05:47 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by nola_swammi What he trying to say is we need a G.M. with knowledgable scouts not a g.m. That watch ESPN or NFL network with Deion saying "pay the man" Say what? Boutte, mleg1972, CharityMike and 1 others like this.

01-06-2016, 06:45 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by nola_swammi What he trying to say is we need a G.M. with knowledgable scouts not a g.m. That watch ESPN or NFL network with Deion saying "pay the man" I don't have a clue. mleg1972 likes this.

01-06-2016, 07:26 PM	#4
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by CharityMike I don't have a clue. Plain and simple for you! We need scouts that know how to evaluate talent B_Dub_Saint likes this.

01-06-2016, 07:28 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by nola_swammi Plain and simple for you! We need scouts that know how to evaluate talent Well it appears we may have finally found them, based on our 2015 draft.

01-08-2016, 08:10 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by Danno Well it appears we may have finally found them, based on our 2015 draft. It was a better draft. But that shouldn't have been hard to do... In all seriousness, I did like some of the picks but I still hate the selection of Peat. That was really a whiff, in my opinion. I know it's early, but I'm just not catching any warm, fuzzy feelings about him developing. Kikaha has a lot left to prove. I love his attitude and burst, but not much else... Yet. I've got more patience with him. He's very one dimensional right now, but he does do a good job of stripping the ball out when he gets the chance. Anthony was just ok, to me. I'm not sure what we have in him. It would be nice if Ellerbe could stay healthy so we could see how those two feed off each other.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-08-2016, 08:43 AM	#7
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by burningmetal It was a better draft. But that shouldn't have been hard to do... In all seriousness, I did like some of the picks but I still hate the selection of Peat. That was really a whiff, in my opinion. I know it's early, but I'm just not catching any warm, fuzzy feelings about him developing. Kikaha has a lot left to prove. I love his attitude and burst, but not much else... Yet. I've got more patience with him. He's very one dimensional right now, but he does do a good job of stripping the ball out when he gets the chance. Anthony was just ok, to me. I'm not sure what we have in him. It would be nice if Ellerbe could stay healthy so we could see how those two feed off each other. I'll give you the Peet pick. That has shown, as of now, to be the worst one of the draft but who knows, he has the size and tools to be good, he just needs to get it together. Some players take longer to adjust to the speed of the NFL. As far as Anthony and Kikaha, c'mon man. Anthony was given the rains to run the defense as a rookie! Under the likes of RR coaching. Did he make mistakes, of course, he is a ROOKIE. I don't know what expectations you had but they sound like they are a little to much. Kikaha is another one. He makes plays PERIOD. What more can you ask for? You have to remember, these guys are coming straight in from college and are starting in the NFL where its like playing the best players every week.There is an adjustment period and I believe these guys arrows are pointing up. I think all things considered, we have some solid players that will be on this team for awhile. That draft seems to be one of the better ones we have had in some years but I don't think it's just a coincidence that it happened as soon as Ireland got here.

01-08-2016, 09:20 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by CharityMike I'll give you the Peet pick. That has shown, as of now, to be the worst one of the draft but who knows, he has the size and tools to be good, he just needs to get it together. Some players take longer to adjust to the speed of the NFL. As far as Anthony and Kikaha, c'mon man. Anthony was given the rains to run the defense as a rookie! Under the likes of RR coaching. Did he make mistakes, of course, he is a ROOKIE. I don't know what expectations you had but they sound like they are a little to much. Kikaha is another one. He makes plays PERIOD. What more can you ask for? You have to remember, these guys are coming straight in from college and are starting in the NFL where its like playing the best players every week.There is an adjustment period and I believe these guys arrows are pointing up. I think all things considered, we have some solid players that will be on this team for awhile. That draft seems to be one of the better ones we have had in some years but I don't think it's just a coincidence that it happened as soon as Ireland got here. I don't see where anything I said was unfair. I mentioned the positives with Kikaha, but I kind of pointed out the obvious that he's one dimensional. That was said about him in college, not just as a rookie in the NFL, and it showed. He gets blown out of plays because he doesn't change directions very well. I've always said if he can fix that he'll be great. But for now, it is as advertised. I'm aware that Anthony was part of an awful defense. That's why I specifically said "I don't know what we have in him". He looked like a rookie. I know it's easy to say that, well, he's a rookie so he should play like one. I didn't see enough that stood out with him. I didn't expect pro bowler. I didn't exactly jump for joy when they drafted him. Like I said, I thought he was ok. Let's see what he does moving forward. No harm in that, is there? Lastly, I'm not on the Jeff Ireland love boat. Last I saw of him before he came here, he was getting fired from a sinking ship in Miami. I don't know why I'm supposed to expect great things from him. So I am just waiting to see how he does over an extended period of time. So far the needle has moved a little, at least with the last draft, in the right direction, but as you can see I remain skeptical.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-06-2016, 10:35 PM	#10
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Scouts take: What Payton Wants Originally Posted by CharityMike Well, if last draft is an indicator of what we can expect, I think we have that now. Speak Engrish next time It was my punctuation. Next time read a little slower and you will notice that I must use spell check. You might want to try it. Engrish?

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