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QBREES9 01-22-2016 11:12 PM

5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season
 
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They have already started with the changes to the coaching staff, bringing in some familiar faces: Dan Campbell, Aaron Glenn, and Joe Lombardi.

I fully expect there to be more changes also, such as the announcement earlier today of long-time defensive guru Peter Giunta to be the new senior defensive assistant to defensive coordinator Dennis Allen — who held that same title last year before eventually replacing the fired Rob Ryan; who now is in Buffalo on his twin brother Rex Ryan’s staff,


The Saints simply just don’t have enough talent. They have players who should only be in limited roles starting on the defense, and that is not a key to success in the NFL.

For the Saints to get better fast there are some players, on both sides of the ball, who should NOT be in the black and gold next year.

Today, I am going to highlight some of these players who should not be back, starting with…





5 Saints Who Should NOT Be Back Next Season

nola_swammi 01-23-2016 12:18 AM

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I agree about every player and I'll add John Jenkins in the mix

hagan714 01-23-2016 12:31 AM

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well the axe needs to be put away till FA draft and the freaking realization of the damage having 25% of your cap not playing for you.

some times it is better to bite the bullet you already shot yourself with than shot yourself yet again and have to bite down on two bullets longer.

|Mitch| 01-23-2016 12:40 AM

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I'd like to see what Spiller does when healthy; since according to Payton he was fighting injury all last year

Danno 01-23-2016 07:57 AM

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That was a terrible article.

dizzle88 01-23-2016 08:17 AM

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I'd give Spiller one more year as he never looked healthy, the guy couldn't cut and change direction, something he excelled at in years prior.

Brandon Browner needs to go now
Trade Jon Jenkins, I literally never see him make any kind of play.
Let Peat try and beat Strief, if he does then we keep Strief as a backup.

I think it is time to move on from Colston, we started a youth movement at WR and they really developed well later in the season.

Danno 01-23-2016 09:04 AM

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Restructure all of them and let a better player beat them out.

Jenkins was our 3rd best D-lineman. We'd be foolish to cut him.

papz 01-23-2016 01:51 PM

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1. Brandon Browner
2. Brandon Browner's jersey
3. Brandon Browner's helmet
4. Brandon Browner's pants
5. Brandon Browner's cleats
6-10. Anything and everything related to Brandon Browner

Danno 01-23-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 690529)
1. Brandon Browner
2. Brandon Browner's jersey
3. Brandon Browner's helmet
4. Brandon Browner's pants
5. Brandon Browner's cleats
6-10. Anything and everything related to Brandon Browner

I hope they all come back and compete for a job, except for your top 10.:p

Many will restructure and absolutely should be back. Strief, Spiller, Hawthorne and Colston can all be major role players next year.

AsylumGuido 01-23-2016 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 690515)
That was a terrible article.

You got that right. That took no analysis at all.

The Dude 01-23-2016 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 690502)
I'd like to see what Spiller does when healthy; since according to Payton he was fighting injury all last year

I agree. It seems like every play they had him in they used him as a decoy. and three of those led to touchdowns because of the drawn coverage. He had only taken 5 snaps all season until Ingram went out. I think the injury excuse was legit. I would let him fight though camp at least. Most all of the vets like Jenkins, Strief, and Colston should be allowed to at least compete for the starting role. If nobody can beat them out then we have more problems than cutting them and signing others can help. Colston is a good player coach with his attitude and familiarity with the offense. I bet all of the above will restructure.

RailBoss 01-25-2016 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 690529)
1. Brandon Browner
2. Brandon Browner's jersey
3. Brandon Browner's helmet
4. Brandon Browner's pants
5. Brandon Browner's cleats
6-10. Anything and everything related to Brandon Browner

Couldn't agree more with this. I would recommend sending him to Buffalo that's pretty far from New Orleans.

Seer1 01-25-2016 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 690639)
Couldn't agree more with this. I would recommend sending him to Buffalo that's pretty far from New Orleans.

I'd rather see him end up in Carolina or better yet, atlanta.

RaginCajun83 01-25-2016 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 690515)
That was a terrible article.

that could describe about 75% of the garbage that gets printed in print or online these days

rezburna 01-25-2016 09:12 AM

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I'd keep Colston and Spiller on massive paycuts. I'd keep Strief on a massive paycut too and keep him in a backup role or an extra lineman on the goal line. Brandon Browner has to go. David Hawthorne never lived up to the hype. John Jenkins played well IMO. I don't see why we'd cut him. He's not expensive. Jahri Evans needs to take a huge paycut or be released as well.

Cruize 01-25-2016 11:02 AM

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Spiller has ALWAYS been a tease. Great talent. Flashes of said talent. Never healthy. Never consistently produced. Browner, Spiller, Colston, Ellerbe, Hawthorne, and Humber need to be gone. Restructure Brees. That will free up around $19 million. Draft the best player availabe. HOPEFULLY on defense. Although, the Saints need a G, TE, and WR on offense.

RaginCajun83 01-25-2016 11:50 AM

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its how Spiller played in Buffalo too, this isn't a surprise. Don't know why the Saints thought it would end differently

Rugby Saint II 01-25-2016 02:52 PM

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Honestly, I could see all of them back at TC after restructuring their deal.

jlaw8920 01-25-2016 04:17 PM

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If spiller were healthy, I would like to keep him. I don't have the numbers but feel like he is always injured. I say if he has a few decent games at the start of next season, we trade him and his salary to another team. The question isn't will he get hurt, its when will he get hurt.

Really like the guy and hope he stays healthy, just trying to be realistic.

WillSaints81 01-25-2016 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 690519)
Restructure all of them and let a better player beat them out.

Jenkins was our 3rd best D-lineman. We'd be foolish to cut him.


Do you want this team to have money to spend or not?

WillSaints81 01-25-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 690535)
I hope they all come back and compete for a job, except for your top 10.:p

Many will restructure and absolutely should be back. Strief, Spiller, Hawthorne and Colston can all be major role players next year.

Colston's done, he only shows up in statement games.

WillSaints81 01-25-2016 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jlaw8920 (Post 690699)
If spiller were healthy, I would like to keep him. I don't have the numbers but feel like he is always injured. I say if he has a few decent games at the start of next season, we trade him and his salary to another team. The question isn't will he get hurt, its when will he get hurt.

Really like the guy and hope he stays healthy, just trying to be realistic.

We don't need him. He's not the right fit for us and the guy needs volume to do what he wants to do, a combination of what he was under Gailey. I don't think that will work with Ingram on the team. And the screen game is no longer effective. And with that schedule we have next year it will not work.

Danno 01-25-2016 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 690700)
Do you want this team to have money to spend or not?

Yes I do. Whats your point?

WillSaints81 01-26-2016 12:36 AM

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Jenkins is expendable for someone who is better.

I think sometimes it's best to replace what's on the roster for better at a position than to just plug holes and hope for the best.

lee909 01-26-2016 01:45 AM

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Jenkins isnt replaceable for 700k you'll save cutting him. Even as a back up he's worth keeping. Drescher is earning more than him.
He hasn't been what i hoped he would but he's worth the money he is getting

K Major 01-26-2016 07:13 AM

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John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

Upgrade is needed.

voodooido 01-26-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 690677)
Spiller has ALWAYS been a tease. Great talent. Flashes of said talent. Never healthy. Never consistently produced. Browner, Spiller, Colston, Ellerbe, Hawthorne, and Humber need to be gone. Restructure Brees. That will free up around $19 million. Draft the best player availabe. HOPEFULLY on defense. Although, the Saints need a G, TE, and WR on offense.


Humber is a cheap backup and he will go no where. Browner will keep his roster spot because I don't think they believe freeing up 900K is worth 5.35 million in dead money. Spiller would also only free up about 800K and a 3.75 million dead money. Ellerbe would make sense because he carries no dead money and would free up about 5 million. Hawthorne carries a 4.5 million in cap hit which half would be in dead money. Colston also would make sense because cutting him would give us 2.3 million in dead money but free up over 3 million. The first cut I would make though is Morstead. A punter is not worth 4.45 million a year. He only carries 1.2 million in dead money and would free up 3.25 million.

Morstead, Hawthorne, Colston and Ellerbe would be my guess. 11.25 freed up just with those 4. If they wanna stay make them eat crow and sign at league minimum.

Danno 01-26-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 690802)
John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

Upgrade is needed.

Kevin Williams logged more snaps than Jenkins (564 to 538), and they both finished in our top 5 defenders.

Most of the damage running against us was outside the DT's.

Jenkins is an above average DT.

WillSaints81 01-26-2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 690802)
John Jenkins might not be horrible be he certainly isn't good either. Kevin Williams who played very limited minutes had almost as many tackles as Jenkins (18 vs 23 for Jenkins)... Opposing teams avg. 4.9 yds per attempt. We were 31st vs the run. Certainly not all his fault but he started and played the most except when benched in favor of Davison (himself ineffective at times). This was his third year and I didn't see anything that made me believe he isn't anything other than a Remi Ayodele clone. We need an upgrade big time. If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends.

Upgrade is needed.

Than you, finally we agree on something.

WillSaints81 01-26-2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 690852)
Humber is a cheap backup and he will go no where. Browner will keep his roster spot because I don't think they believe freeing up 900K is worth 5.35 million in dead money. Spiller would also only free up about 800K and a 3.75 million dead money. Ellerbe would make sense because he carries no dead money and would free up about 5 million. Hawthorne carries a 4.5 million in cap hit which half would be in dead money. Colston also would make sense because cutting him would give us 2.3 million in dead money but free up over 3 million. The first cut I would make though is Morstead. A punter is not worth 4.45 million a year. He only carries 1.2 million in dead money and would free up 3.25 million.

Morstead, Hawthorne, Colston and Ellerbe would be my guess. 11.25 freed up just with those 4. If they wanna stay make them eat crow and sign at league minimum.

Plus when Brees restructures for a 9 or more million less, that's 20 million+.


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