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So now we're admitting that he was never fully healthy. Loomis and Payton sound like they want to give him another shot next year. Hope theyre right because I was excited when we signed him on.

New Orleans Saints will see 'real C.J. Spiller' in 2016, Mickey Loomis says | NOLA.com

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We don't need him really. Are they really expecting him to make big plays with just 10 touches a game?

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You know how payton likes to have that reggie bush or darren sproles type of running back in his arsenal. None of the othe rb's on the roster fit that mold. I have a feeling either hightower or robinson will be gone.

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I think Hightower and PRob are both free agents already. Could be wrong about PRob.

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These RB's are a dime a dozen they also get injured frequently, except for Sproles but he protects his body, knows when it is over. Spiller not that guy. He did run out of bounds on one last year so who knows...maybe he gets it but I doubt it. I would rather go with undrafted RB's and put that coin into our lines. Our lines are weak right now.

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I think they know more than "we" do.

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I know you meant KRob but theyre both still on our roster. That other guy that was returning kickoffs - can't remember his name - might be a casualty as well

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Seeing that his dead money would of been 3.75 and his salary is 4.5 I think it was a smart move. Don't even know why this is a thread.

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On March 9th Hightower will be a UFA and KRob will be a RFA. It's possible we lose both.

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The other was Murphy but he fumbles too much for my taste though.

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Bring back Hightower!!!!

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Lots of people here think he's a bust and that he should be released. It's a topic worthy of discussion. I never understand why people question threads on a forum.

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If he's healthy; he will see more touches and we will see his potential. Spiller can ball as that screen/draw type back, we've all seen what he's capable of with Buffalo

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He will test FA first I am sure and after last year he probably played his way out of town

Spillers main issue was the 6 inches between his ears more than anything. So till he hit the field and proves that is no longer an issue I am holding back optimism. That is the hardest injury to over come once it sets in.

I am still stumped at the contract the saints signed him for. well at least Byrd has company in the stumped club.

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I think running a bunch of two back sets with spiller in there would be great for their running/screen game and open up deep throws. Spiller is bound to get hurt, so just play him as much as you can, while you can.

No need to try and prevent the inevitable.

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Clearly. As evidenced by the numerous "brilliant" moves they've been making. I love when people just say "they know more than us". Just because they have a job in something that we aren't doing, that does not make them smart. Evaluating talent does not take a genius. It takes having eyes. I'd love to see Spiller work out, personally, and have not given up on him. But just saying they know better than us, isn't adding anything to the thread.

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The reason it's a thread is because we were hearing at the end of the regular season that he was likely gone. The fact that those reports are being contradicted is noteworthy.

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Special report: Inside look at how Saints' '3-level' passing concept powers NFL's most prolific attack | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Thought this was worth sharing.

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The fact is that they do know FAR and away more than any of us. We do not have access to practices, film, medical records, financial details, personal conversations, etc. While as you pointed out, all we have is our eyes watching limited play and reading tripe from writers that know little more than us. Opinions are fine, but any implication that they don't know what they are doing is ridiculous.

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Consider source of the rumblings at the end of the season. They are paid to produce words. Fact or insight is not a requirement.

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I don't know if you've noticed, but it's the year 2016 now. There isn't much that ISN'T videotaped for us to see. But why go on youtube and watch video when you can watch all of the live telecasts that are available to us in this age? So you're telling me that what happens in practice, that I might not see, is completely different from what is happening on the field?

You seem hell bent on convincing yourself that we're all a bunch of morons, as fans. Do you get a kick out of someone telling you you're dumb or something? This is not rocket science, it's football. Who cares that they have medical records and we don't? Did they not have medical records of Jairus Byrd before giving him over 50 million dollars?

You're not helping your case with that one. You can have access to everything the world can give you, and it makes no difference if you don't know what to do with it. I'm calling out Mickey Loomis, as I simply think he's a lackluster GM. People get fired in this business all the time. So unless you have a better defense for him other than saying he's paid to do it, and we're not, then I will stand by my statements.

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Spiller last year, he basically ended up being almost the same exact performance stats as Pierre Thomas' last year contributing as a Saint, but for waaaaay more money than PT ever cost.

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I wasn't defending the source. Simply pointing out the fact that it was reported. Yes, there are false reports out there, but there are also legitimate reports. And until it is proven as nothing more than a rumor, we can only speculate. Now we're being told he's probably staying. Do you have any proof that this information is reliable?

Geez, why do we have voices or fingers to type with, if we're all dumb, and all reporters are liars. I guess there's no point in being a fan. We know nothing, because we ARE nothing... Or am I reading too much into your words?

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No, this is not a worthy thread. We don't need to cut someone that will cost us another 4 million in dead money! It would only free up roughy 500K. Who the crap u gunna get with his skill set for 500K? Ill tell you, NO ONE.

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The screen game would have worked two years ago when we didn't have Sproles or Spiller and played a schedule that struggled against it. Next year we play too many tough run defenses that can stop the screen game as well. I know SP likes to have that as part of his playcalling. But the screen game has been hurting us too often. It's a wonder that our offense only clicked all game when we didn't play tough run defenses but some people will drink the koolaid of the last month instead of breaking down how things will be. We need to be passing the ball or handing it off. None of this other cute stuff.

I didn't see a healthy Spiller in 2012 have any success against the seahawks and 49ers. He was just okay against the rams also. I also didn't see him do much anything against Oakland and San Diego two years ago.

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This is the stuff that just aggravates me. We have to hope for way too much. But I'm saying Spiller is not gonna burn KC, Seattle, Arizona, SF, Denver, Detroit on 10 touches a game. I also have felt Ingram doesn't get enough carries which leads to him always getting hurt. And we don't need to run more than we have. We just need Ingram to get those extra carries that were going to KRob and Spiller. Ingram cannot be a top ten back if he doesn't get 20-25 carries a game.

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So. You are telling me that you have access to all video from the team resources?

YouTube? Get real. Every practice snap is not available on youtube. That is total bull****. And, yes, what happens in practice has little to no relevance to what happens in game play. There are far too many factors that cannot be taken into consideration. Ten other players can greatly affect the performance of the eleventh in an uncontrolled environment.

And, no, I am not hell bent on proving that most fans are morons. We simply do not have the resources to attempt informed analysis. No, it is not rocket science. But it is not so very far removed with respect to experience and training. Without the inside information, or at least the professional discipline closely related, it is foolish to think one would have anywhere near the insight to analyse the intricacies of the business.

Loomis does not need my defense. He is respected throughout the league by his expertise.

On that note, please continue to share your opinions. Just understand that to you and you alone, or Joe Shmoe alone in his case, should be accepted as more than background noise at this point of the NFL schedule.

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No. I think you nailed it on the head. As fans we are nothing. No "information" is reliable unless it is stamped as an official NFL transaction.

Yes, we have fingers, and eyes, and voices, and irrational thoughts. I spent ten years working in the sports media arena. In this case I know what I am talking about. There are as more idiots clacking away at computer keys and pontificating on the air percentage wise as there are fans reading their sewage.

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You aren't even trying at this point. I, at no point, said every practice snap was available on youtube. I only briefly mentioned practice as being the one thing I "might not see". And I mentioned youtube sarcastically, as your favorite thing to say is "they have access to all the game film". The point was that you don't need to look it up. All the games are on TV. I can see it live. Yes, I have access to any film I want, if I want it.

What, do you think the film they have will look different because they can stop it and draw pictures in the middle of it? Be real, man.

I don't know all of the details that go on, and I don't claim to. I'm not in on the meetings. Similarly, I don't sit in on the governor's meetings, yet I can tell you that his idea of cutting the LSU football program because of the state deficit is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time. My point here is very simple. Just because I don't know all the details, doesn't mean that I can't see the difference between a good GM, an average GM, and a bad GM.

You say Loomis is respected throughout the league for his expertise. Who told you that? Because you don't hear his counterparts publicly bashing him (because that's so common, right), you assume that everyone respects him?

You're all caught up in the "intricacies", as if we are debating the inner workings of a computer hard-drive. We see the same numbers you do. Yet what we read is all "unreliable", but you apparently have the goods.

Right.

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And you are assuming that all of us are in that same "percentage". That's your problem. You think YOU are the enlightened one. I'm all for a good argument, here and there, but what you do is beyond that. You come in here like a seagull, crapping all over everyone's head, and just trying your best to irritate people with your pretentious claims of superiority. "I spent ten years working in the sports media arena"... So what? I have worked zero years in any media, and I can tell you exactly what you told me. What does that have to do with calling out a GM for over paying players, and pushing back cap problems?

You've given nothing of any substance. You continue to say that we know nothing, but you can't tell me why I'm wrong. Only that (in your opinion) he is respected, and that we don't know the intricacies.

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Where did I ever state that you were wrong, per say? I have simply stated that you are making your declarations by basing them on absolute fluff. I said that you are basing your opinions on totally unreliable information. I gave my absolute reasoning behind why I know the basis of your opinions are meaningless. By no means is that a reflection upon your personal intellect or education.

Perhaps we can have the opportunity to meet face to face and discuss these topics. I seriously feel I would enjoy that. Alcohol, food and music required.

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No. I am saying that numbers mean more to an individual that is trained to understand the intricacies involved. No, we are not discussing a computer. We are discussing accounting and finance which involves a different, yet comparable degree of insight as that of computer science.

As an aside, which I am quite sure will piss you off, I also have 25 years experience as a computer systems analyst.

I guess you can say I do have a few "goods".

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When you tell someone they don't know what they are talking about, in so many words, that's pretty clear that you think I'm wrong. You don't have to spell it out.

You claim to "know" why the basis of my opinions are meaningless. But you still don't get it.... I don't base it off of something some random media guy had to say.

The Saints are always way over the cap going into the off-season, and have to make so many moves just to get under. But they don't do much of anything to improve the team, and often do NOTHING to improve, because they don't have the money. This isn't college where you recruit. Getting players in this league is all about having the money. You don't even have to go after someone like a Von Miller. Just spread it out more evenly with solid players. I must have said this four or five different times over the last day. All Loomis does push back problems. You say he's accounting for the cap increase, which is what I hear every year, but every year is the same. I know what he THINKS he's trying to do. I'm a lot smarter than you realize. But the fact is he's not doing a good job.

You think that I have to be an accountant to understand. But you are refusing to acknowledge my point, over and over. I'm not breaking down the nuts and bolts of the deal, I'm discussing the results. I've used numerous analogies to get this point across. It doesn't matter what is discussed behind doors, I can still see when mistakes are made. The results speak for themselves. He doesn't deserve any credit for any good decisions, if you expect me to believe that none of the bad is on him. Because you're basically telling me that Loomis has no say at all. You are basing your opinion of him being a yes man on "fluff", buddy.

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I'm afraid that does not give you any "goods". First off, finances are most certainly NOT near as complicated as figuring out a computer hard drive. I don't say this to be mean spirited, but I don't much care if you have a single day of experience as a computer analyst, I'm talking about the actual building of the system. It's one thing to look at something with an instruction manual and figure out if everything is working right. It's a whole different thing to build it. So I don't know what you think you're proving to me by plugging your experience. So no, that doesn't anger me.

Back to why this doesn't give you "the goods". As the computer thing was clearly an analogy, you don't have any inside knowledge on what goes on in the NFL any more than I do. You continue to contend that you know something that I, or we as fans, don't. It's common knowledge that this front office has not operated very wisely in years. I'm not having to guess, I can SEE it. You both underestimate my intelligence, and overestimate, or over state, the degree of difficulty in constructing player contracts.

Your whole argument is basically trying to make me believe that, no matter how bad something might look to me, Loomis had a plan for that. I guess that's why they lead the world in dead money. Because he was "totally" prepared for all the failures. Not everything is his fault. I don't expect him to see the future with Galette doing what he did to get cut. But he's just one of the many, many huge contracts that are weighing this team down.

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The only thing I don't like about Byrd is the health issue. I would like to see what he can do when he is 100 percent and we have to get a little pressure on the QB. our dbacks have no help on that area what so ever.

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Well we will find out how good Byrd can be this year. His dead money is more than his cap hit so he is going no where.

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Take a chill pill dude. I never said we should cut him. All i did was provide a link and make a comment about it. If you dont like the topic, move on and dont comment. It's not that difficult tough guy.

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I think he's worth keeping and I really like Hightower. He's a cheap average RB