Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager

Cruize · 03-28-2016, 05:09 PM

The lack of finding starters and solid role players in the draft the last few years has been the main reason for having to reach/overpay for some FA's. The draft is the key. It's full of defensive talent this year. If he misses again this year, the talk of him being on the hot seat is understandable.

Rugby Saint II · 03-29-2016, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

The lack of finding starters and solid role players in the draft the last few years has been the main reason for having to reach/overpay for some FA's. The draft is the key. It's full of defensive talent this year. If he misses again this year, the talk of him being on the hot seat is understandable.

We added Ireland who has a good eye for talent and improved our draft last year while adding several starters.

The scouting department went through a shake up this year and we have new faces in the front office that should improve our odds of finding good players to fit the system.

I'm feeling optimistic.

jeanpierre · 03-29-2016, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We added Ireland who has a good eye for talent and improved our draft last year while adding several starters.

The scouting department went through a shake up this year and we have new faces in the front office that should improve our odds of finding good players to fit the system.

I'm feeling optimistic.

Best move (Jeff Ireland hire) since hiring Payton or signing Brees...

Not sold on some of the new scounts, but Ireland will filter and manage...

jeanpierre · 03-31-2016, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm calling BS!!! The story could be written from several perspectives. I'm betting this guy is a pessimist and friendless as well.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We added Ireland who has a good eye for talent and improved our draft last year while adding several starters.

The scouting department went through a shake up this year and we have new faces in the front office that should improve our odds of finding good players to fit the system.

I'm feeling optimistic.

Damn, Mickey, tell us how you really feel...

QBREES9 · 03-28-2016, 10:07 PM

So who are we talkin about.

hagan714 · 03-29-2016, 04:51 AM

I would point out that teams with the dynasty label, especially in today's NFL, let players walk and take that comp pick verses over paying them. They also do not go out and throw truck loads of money at FA till they absolutely know they have rebuilt their core and need those 1 or 2 piece to make the super bowl run.

This is what the Pats do. keep the main ingredients as best they can. Send a message early and often they will not be held hostage by a player. Players know this when they come to the Pats. It is the Pats way and the door always swings both ways. Mid priced FA and a huge number of draft picks is the way to rebuild a roster. It also keeps your cap in line.

This is were the saints fail year in and year out since the super bowl.

vpheughan · 03-31-2016, 10:34 AM

If the defense knew the play based on who was in, how is it the players fault. Mike Smith, 4th and 1 and WE ALL knew who was getting the ball? They didn't make it, remember?

The Dude · 03-31-2016, 04:27 PM

Sigh....Loomis doesnt choose the players. He just finds the money for the players Payton chooses. Loomis doesnt even have the authority to rein Payton in as some people like to believe. Its not a typical GM/Coach relationship in the Saints organization. Loomis is a great GM. His latest moves should throw any doubt out the window. Especially the Fairly deal.

jeanpierre · 04-01-2016, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Sigh....Loomis doesnt choose the players. He just finds the money for the players Payton chooses. Loomis doesnt even have the authority to rein Payton in as some people like to believe. Its not a typical GM/Coach relationship in the Saints organization. Loomis is a great GM. His latest moves should throw any doubt out the window. Especially the Fairly deal.

Dude...you do realize you're speaking outta both sides there?!?

If he doesn't have the authority to perform those functions, then he's not a true General Manager...

So it should follow that if he's not a true GM then he's not a real general manager, which is the point that's being illustrated...

The Dude · 04-01-2016, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Dude...you do realize you're speaking outta both sides there?!?

If he doesn't have the authority to perform those functions, then he's not a true General Manager...

So it should follow that if he's not a true GM then he's not a real general manager, which is the point that's being illustrated...

The article eludes to Loomis failing because of deals with players like

"Which brings us to the recent moves, and pending moves, Loomis has made in the last three years; moves that have proved very costly and restrictive to the teams success like that of Jairus Byrd, Junior Galette, C.J. Spiller Ben Grubbs...
"

I dont think he has anything to do with who those players are. He just finds money to sign them. Maybe he isnt a true GM, but that doesnt make him a failure. He does what he is supposed to do. Every year we have cap problems and every year he finds money to sign "big name" free agents. That is his job and his forte. The fault lies with Payton and the scouts when it comes to the players who are bought with that money.
We dont know what happens behind closed doors. For all we know he could be begging and pleading with Payton not to sign these guys to no avail.

03-28-2016, 05:09 PM	#1
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager The lack of finding starters and solid role players in the draft the last few years has been the main reason for having to reach/overpay for some FA's. The draft is the key. It's full of defensive talent this year. If he misses again this year, the talk of him being on the hot seat is understandable. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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03-29-2016, 10:44 AM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,148	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager Originally Posted by Cruize The lack of finding starters and solid role players in the draft the last few years has been the main reason for having to reach/overpay for some FA's. The draft is the key. It's full of defensive talent this year. If he misses again this year, the talk of him being on the hot seat is understandable. We added Ireland who has a good eye for talent and improved our draft last year while adding several starters. The scouting department went through a shake up this year and we have new faces in the front office that should improve our odds of finding good players to fit the system. I'm feeling optimistic. saintfan, Danno, RailBoss and 1 others like this.

03-29-2016, 06:57 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We added Ireland who has a good eye for talent and improved our draft last year while adding several starters. The scouting department went through a shake up this year and we have new faces in the front office that should improve our odds of finding good players to fit the system. I'm feeling optimistic. Best move (Jeff Ireland hire) since hiring Payton or signing Brees... Not sold on some of the new scounts, but Ireland will filter and manage... saintfan likes this.

03-31-2016, 09:26 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm calling BS!!! The story could be written from several perspectives. I'm betting this guy is a pessimist and friendless as well. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We added Ireland who has a good eye for talent and improved our draft last year while adding several starters. The scouting department went through a shake up this year and we have new faces in the front office that should improve our odds of finding good players to fit the system. I'm feeling optimistic. Damn, Mickey, tell us how you really feel... Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-28-2016, 10:07 PM	#5
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager So who are we talkin about.

03-29-2016, 04:51 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager I would point out that teams with the dynasty label, especially in today's NFL, let players walk and take that comp pick verses over paying them. They also do not go out and throw truck loads of money at FA till they absolutely know they have rebuilt their core and need those 1 or 2 piece to make the super bowl run. This is what the Pats do. keep the main ingredients as best they can. Send a message early and often they will not be held hostage by a player. Players know this when they come to the Pats. It is the Pats way and the door always swings both ways. Mid priced FA and a huge number of draft picks is the way to rebuild a roster. It also keeps your cap in line. This is were the saints fail year in and year out since the super bowl. jonnyrotten, jeanpierre and dizzle88 like this.
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03-31-2016, 10:34 AM	#7
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,546	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager If the defense knew the play based on who was in, how is it the players fault. Mike Smith, 4th and 1 and WE ALL knew who was getting the ball? They didn't make it, remember?
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03-31-2016, 04:27 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager Sigh....Loomis doesnt choose the players. He just finds the money for the players Payton chooses. Loomis doesnt even have the authority to rein Payton in as some people like to believe. Its not a typical GM/Coach relationship in the Saints organization. Loomis is a great GM. His latest moves should throw any doubt out the window. Especially the Fairly deal. Danno likes this.
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04-01-2016, 12:37 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager Originally Posted by The Dude Sigh....Loomis doesnt choose the players. He just finds the money for the players Payton chooses. Loomis doesnt even have the authority to rein Payton in as some people like to believe. Its not a typical GM/Coach relationship in the Saints organization. Loomis is a great GM. His latest moves should throw any doubt out the window. Especially the Fairly deal. Dude...you do realize you're speaking outta both sides there?!? If he doesn't have the authority to perform those functions, then he's not a true General Manager... So it should follow that if he's not a true GM then he's not a real general manager, which is the point that's being illustrated...

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Look Back: A Lesson In Free Agency For Careless General Manager Originally Posted by jeanpierre Dude...you do realize you're speaking outta both sides there?!? If he doesn't have the authority to perform those functions, then he's not a true General Manager... So it should follow that if he's not a true GM then he's not a real general manager, which is the point that's being illustrated... The article eludes to Loomis failing because of deals with players like "Which brings us to the recent moves, and pending moves, Loomis has made in the last three years; moves that have proved very costly and restrictive to the teams success like that of Jairus Byrd, Junior Galette, C.J. Spiller Ben Grubbs... " I dont think he has anything to do with who those players are. He just finds money to sign them. Maybe he isnt a true GM, but that doesnt make him a failure. He does what he is supposed to do. Every year we have cap problems and every year he finds money to sign "big name" free agents. That is his job and his forte. The fault lies with Payton and the scouts when it comes to the players who are bought with that money. We dont know what happens behind closed doors. For all we know he could be begging and pleading with Payton not to sign these guys to no avail.
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