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I like the thought of pairing him up with Davidson. I like Davidson, lightning quick, well at least the quickest we got. I see Davidson getting a fair snap with this guy. Jenkins is a clogger that dropped weight and is still slow. I'm for an upgrade for him. I would like to see Cam Newton in pain type of upgrade at the line.

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I got to give it to the Saints. At least they finnally are looking at things. Guess it took a while.

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Now it's up to the good ole boys to get it done.

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Kamalei Correa, DE, Boise State is the name I keep seeing tied to the Saints.

Jonathan Bullard, DT, Florida is another one. I don't think we need another DT with Fairley, Jenkins, and Rankins, and Davidson but I wouldn't be upset.

Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State

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Whitehair is considered by many to be the top Guard in the draft. I would not be mad with him in rd 2.

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You cant double team them all
Hopefully its a pick your poison with Cam,Fairley and Rankins. Hey double the lot of him and Kikaha will have a field day
If you cant be excited at the moment you should look for another sport. We have not seen the team play in nearly 5 months. Yu could throw members of the this forum on the field at the moment and id be looking at the brightside

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:rofl:

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lmmfao

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Who?

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I see some people knocking his height but personally I prefer the DTs to be a little shorter. That usually gives them a lower center of gravity and better leverage.

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True that.

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He's a real monster DT...

http://i.imgur.com/BHSwRSz.gif?noredirect

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Oh Boy,

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I've said a few times that I'm good with the pick, but I'm not as enthusiastic as some of you. Coaches tend to always gush over players they just picked. Our track record of picking DT's, or even signing them as free agents is horrible. So you'll forgive me if I don't give two craps what Payton says about Rankins.

I'm not sold that he can stop the run. This is not college anymore, and I am reminded of Brodrick Bunkley when I look at his size. Some guys can over-come that lack of leverage and I'm hoping Rankins will. I would have liked to double up on tackles. But instead we took an over-rated WR.

Like Rankins, but he's not going to do it all by himself.

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This is from a senior bowl person:

Sheldon is a two-plus year starter at defensive tackle for Louisville. He has a proportioned, sturdy build with development in all major muscle groups. This fourth-year senior looks strong in the lower half through his calves, thighs and glutes. The Cardinals emanate from a 3-4 base and Sheldon has aligned as a defensive end and nose in that front. Once Louisville goes to its sub package, which is often the case against their ACC opponents, he slides to a 1- or 3-technique and looks really comfortable from that position.

At the point-of-attack, he stays square to the line-of-scrimmage and is physical with his hands. He typically keeps them inside the framework of his opponent and shows some shock and shed on direct runs. When plays go away from him, he is rarely cut and does a consistent job of staying on his feet and keeping his balance. As a pass rusher, he has a low center of gravity and can bull the bottom of the pocket. Sheldon is also active with his hands and has the initial quickness to penetrate a gap and get upfield on occasion. For the NFL, he is likely a rotational rookie with the potential to become a full-time starter in the future. Because of his background in defensive coordinator Todd Grantham’s pro-like scheme that has asked him to play virtually every technique along the front, he should be able to transition very quickly to the NFL game. This player has quality eyes (instincts), feet (balance), hips (explosion) and hands (strong), which should translate into a very solid career for him. In some respects, he is similar to Sylvester Williams, the former North Carolina defensive tackle and late first-rounder of the Denver Broncos in 2013.

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Yeah, he has talent. He wouldn't go in the first round without it. I just think that if we were only getting one tackle, I'd prefer a strong nose tackle, type. I don't think Rankins is weak, by any means, but he's going to have a difficult time utilizing his pass rushing abilities without some help.

I'll never forget when we had Norman Hand, and put up 66 sacks with guys like keith Mitchell and Charlie Clemons, of all people, putting up double digit sack totals. Not that Norman was the sole factor, but I don't think it's coincidental that all of those guys had their best statistical season with him there.

I'm less concerned with Rankins' height as I am with his length. That's where I wonder how his leverage will translate into the NFL. I really like his quickness and moves. I just would feel a lot better if he had a sidekick. But I guess we're supposed to trust Nick Fairley... Here's hoping for the best.

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Did 500+ words on the Rankins pick, if anyone is interested.

https://obnoxiouswhodat.wordpress.co...rankins-j-a-g/

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True, if he was 10 pounds heavier he'd have been a top 5 pick.

Only one DT had graded out higher over the last 2 seasons than Rankins, Aaron Donald, who happens to be 1" shorter and 15 pounds lighter than Rankins.

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10lbs 2inches
Its all overblown if the player has the right skillset

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okay I see mixed but mostly good reads on our no. 1 pick. hes not what I liked at 1 but i'm happy on the pick, ive been looking at the film and stats and I'm pleased. if anyone was following my pick for no. 1, I wished for o-line, yes o=line and I yapped about giving brees that pocket of yesteryear when he had that 1 more second to slash a defensive backfield to pieces. if this o-line of 2015 could have done that. we average 7 more points a game in the least, meaning we are cruising into playoffs and not praying to get there. but for this 1st round pick with tunsel still there check me hell yes.

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True enough. I didn't say anything about his weight, though. He's not a run stuffer (not to say he can't help there any), he's more of a pass rusher. La'roi Glover was undersized, and had some really great years with the Saints, but also played along side DT's like Wayne Martin and Norman Hand. He didn't do much after he left the Saints. Aaron Donald, as good as he is, has played with some really good defensive linemen, as well.

So I'm not knocking Rankins, and I've stated that a few times. I just firmly believe in having strong interior linemen. Not just quick guys. They've brought in some people who have a lot to prove at that position, but hopefully they will do the job. I'm sick of watching RB's jog through there, year after year.

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Just curious, where did you get that Rankins isn't a run stuffer? Most of the scouting reports I've read say he's a natural run stuffer.

"IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. - CBS Sports scouting report

"An explosive gap shooter with power and a strong base for run defense, Rankins is a complete defensive tackle - Rotoworld

"Strengths:
Three-down starter
Good run defender
A burst to close
Strong
Tough to move
Played a variety of techniques
Powerful bull rush
Active hands
Pad level
Maintains his gap in run defense - WalterFootball

And I've read many more.

Sheldon Rankins Draft Profile
Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...dl-louisville/
2016 NFL draft: Sheldon Rankins scouting report
Recent news on Sheldon Rankins - Louisville Cardinals - Rotoworld.com
WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Sheldon Rankins

Most of the scouting reports say the same thing, he's a run stuffer with the potential of being an effective pass rusher. So, I'm curious why you say he's not.

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Why do people keep saying that. He was probably one of the best run stuffing DTs in the draft.

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By adding a talented Rankins on the dline, it should help our run defense tremendously.

If you can effectively stop the run, offenses become one dimensional.

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By comparison...

Pro-Bowl interior linemen
Sheldon Rankins 6-1, 300
Aaron Donald 6-0, 285
Geno Atkins 6-1, 300
Jurrell Casey 6-1, 305
Kyle Williams 6-1, 303
Kawann Short 6-3, 315
Gerald McCoy 6-4, 300

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He clearly doesn't know as much as he believes he knows.

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I never said he COULDN'T stop the run. I made a point of putting that in parenthesis, before one of you got butt hurt about my comment. I simply do not view him as a true run stuffer. Everything I've seen shows him shooting the gap and getting after the QB (or running back). That's a little harder to do at the next level. He doesn't strike me as a true lane clogger, and I don't believe that's what they drafted him to do. That does not mean he can't stop the run at all. He's probably better at it then anyone we've had recently. I think he was drafted as an "effective" two way player, and I think that's what he'll be.

This might be difficult for some of you to believe, but I base very little of my opinions on what I read. I'm not a scout any more than the rest of you, and I'm not here to impress you with my knowledge, or what you and others might perceive as my lack thereof. But I'm fairly adept in my own perceptions. I recognize the fact that I could just as easily be wrong.

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What is that comparison supposed to prove? Some of those guys are pass rushers, some are run stuffers, and some are both. Being selected to the pro bowl means very little anymore.

You are still hung up on height, which was never part of anything I had to say.

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You clearly have no idea how to do anything but criticize other posters. You can't prove one thing I said is wrong. You only have your own opinion, which is not in line with mine. I don't mind others disagreeing with me, though I will obviously defend my points. But you? You just wait for every opportunity to say something snarky. Maybe if you spent a little more time thinking of something meaningful to say, people might respect you more.

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It wasn't directed at you specifically BM. Several here have said he's undersized and thats just not true at all. He's the same size as the elite DT's in the league.

I wasn't ripping on you.

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Sorry, I misunderstood that. Figured it was for me.

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I don't think he could do anything to regain respect at this point. He's a smart ass wannabe know it all with nothing better to do than lurk here and wait for people to say something he doesn't agree with. Then he rolls out the same old tired high and mighty holier than thou routine. He probably gets little satisfaction out of anything in his (most likely) miserable existence, so he attempts to derive meaning and purpose through his psychic accountant Internet persona.

Of course he will disagree with all of this.

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Wannabe know it all? Far from it. In fact, I readily admit that I have no way of knowing as much about the player prospects as the people who do it for a living. I even know less than lots of genuine gold-plated wannabes that pretend to be GM's. As I mentioned before, I came in here to follow the progress of the draft since the bad storms had totally wacked my satellite and the draft thread was inundated with a handful of know-it-all's that believed they knew more about drafting than the Saints front office. The constant *****ing and moaning about every pick the Saints made and how their personal pick made so much more sense was beyond irritating. And believe me, I was not the only one getting feed up with it.

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There are only a handful of people that just complain because they didn't get their specific player they wanted. The rest of us agree, or disagree with selections for different reasons, and come here to discuss it.

But you aren't just going after that minority of people. You look for ANY opinion that you don't agree with, for any reason, and start talking ten kinds of crap on them. It's never good enough to just say "I don't agree with that" and then give a calm reasoning. Nope. You call people stupid, idiot, clueless, moron, wannabe GM, and on it goes.

And you remind everyone that you have accounting experience, which you use as a reason for thinking you know more than all of us. Yet, what you do (or used to do) has nothing to do with operating under the parameters of a salary cap. You have no respect for anyone, and your excuses for yourself are just as bad as the rest of what you say to people.

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He will be wearing #99. Game over Falcons...

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Umm... Sure seems like that's what you were saying...

Nobody's " butt hurt". I just asked where you got your info. I was interested in reading other sports writers or scouts opinions.

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No. You don't get it. I seldom, if ever, disagree with an opinion that is stated as such. Most all of us think differently and have different opinions. I have fewer opinions than most when it comes to personnel, at least in on field potential. I do have well-founded opinions on cap management as it relates to cost accounting and resource management as that is within my field of training.

What I rail upon is the constant proclamations that the front office no clue about what they are doing and has no clue about player selection and are constantly griping about the same. There are only about four or five of the somewhat regular members that fall into this category. I say somewhat because the major presence of a couple coincides with the approach of the draft.

I don't see a problem trying to guess what the team may do in the draft. That could be a fun exercise. I guess I can also understand those compulsive enough to spend hours upon hours doing mock drafts and studying players (based upon input from writers/experts that know little more than they). But it is the insistence that the front office doesn't know as much as they and they can clearly draft better and manage a cap better that gets old. Those are the only instances that I call out and it is usually one or more of the same four or five people.

I could accept people saying they cannot understanding the thinking behind a player acquisition move or a financial decision, but to constantly state that front office is incompetent and if they would do things exactly as the self-promoting members insist, things would be so much rosier in Who Dat Nation.

Yes, you have caught my frustration and ire along these lines, but admittedly, you are not quite as unfailingly negative as a couple of the others in that regard.

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You can see what I said right there. The only way I could have worded it better, would have been to say he isn't a run stuffer (Per Se)... In my opinion.

I'm sure he can stop ball carriers that come his way, but I question whether or not he can take on double teams and clear space for others. His skill set would suggest to me, that someone else should be the space eater, so that he can use his quickness to get up field.

The butt hurt comment was meant for certain people who like to get offended when I say something that is perceived as negative, even though it's just an opinion. Not a declaration.

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Everything you just stated is in stark contrast to the reality that I've witnessed with you, on numerous occasions. I specifically saw you criticizing someone who started a thread about draft prospects, a while back. You basically said that it was stupid for anyone to think that they can have any clue what the team is looking for. But all he was doing was making predictions. No harm in that.

So that shoots down where you said you don't mind if someone wants to do a mock draft.

You claim that it's only the people who say they can run the team better, who frustrate you. Yet, I clearly see you jumping on people (including me) who simply state that we would have preferred a different position be addressed.

You say I have caught your "ire", yet I have never stated that if I were running the team, things would be better. When I am critical of the organization, it's when there is a pattern of futility in regards to whatever subject I'm criticizing. and that is because, as professionals, I expect better of them.

I don't work in the NFL, of course. But whatever I do, or have done, I'm typically a fast learner. If I chose to take up a career path that led me to work in a front office, I guarantee you I would learn quickly from any mistakes. If it were my job to study hundreds of hours of tape, I would do so. So the point isn't whether myself, or others, are qualified to run an organization. It's that we expect those who are to do better. We're all held to certain standards in whatever job field we work in... Does that make sense to you?

You absolutely do not limit your criticism to just certain individuals. You don't like ANY opinion that is not in line with the team, and YOURS. No matter how calm and reasonable a person may try to be in explaining themselves, the response from you remains the same. "You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're really dumb if you think you have any idea".