New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 12:33 AM

Yeah, he has talent. He wouldn't go in the first round without it. I just think that if we were only getting one tackle, I'd prefer a strong nose tackle, type. I don't think Rankins is weak, by any means, but he's going to have a difficult time utilizing his pass rushing abilities without some help.

I'll never forget when we had Norman Hand, and put up 66 sacks with guys like keith Mitchell and Charlie Clemons, of all people, putting up double digit sack totals. Not that Norman was the sole factor, but I don't think it's coincidental that all of those guys had their best statistical season with him there.

I'm less concerned with Rankins' height as I am with his length. That's where I wonder how his leverage will translate into the NFL. I really like his quickness and moves. I just would feel a lot better if he had a sidekick. But I guess we're supposed to trust Nick Fairley... Here's hoping for the best.

Danno · 04-30-2016, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Yeah, he has talent. He wouldn't go in the first round without it. I just think that if we were only getting one tackle, I'd prefer a strong nose tackle, type. I don't think Rankins is weak, by any means, but he's going to have a difficult time utilizing his pass rushing abilities without some help.

I'll never forget when we had Norman Hand, and put up 66 sacks with guys like keith Mitchell and Charlie Clemons, of all people, putting up double digit sack totals. Not that Norman was the sole factor, but I don't think it's coincidental that all of those guys had their best statistical season with him there.

I'm less concerned with Rankins' height as I am with his length. That's where I wonder how his leverage will translate into the NFL. I really like his quickness and moves. I just would feel a lot better if he had a sidekick. But I guess we're supposed to trust Nick Fairley... Here's hoping for the best.

True, if he was 10 pounds heavier he'd have been a top 5 pick.

Only one DT had graded out higher over the last 2 seasons than Rankins, Aaron Donald, who happens to be 1" shorter and 15 pounds lighter than Rankins.

burningmetal · 05-02-2016, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

True, if he was 10 pounds heavier he'd have been a top 5 pick.

Only one DT had graded out higher over the last 2 seasons than Rankins, Aaron Donald, who happens to be 1" shorter and 15 pounds lighter than Rankins.

True enough. I didn't say anything about his weight, though. He's not a run stuffer (not to say he can't help there any), he's more of a pass rusher. La'roi Glover was undersized, and had some really great years with the Saints, but also played along side DT's like Wayne Martin and Norman Hand. He didn't do much after he left the Saints. Aaron Donald, as good as he is, has played with some really good defensive linemen, as well.

So I'm not knocking Rankins, and I've stated that a few times. I just firmly believe in having strong interior linemen. Not just quick guys. They've brought in some people who have a lot to prove at that position, but hopefully they will do the job. I'm sick of watching RB's jog through there, year after year.

Utah_Saint · 05-02-2016, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

True enough. I didn't say anything about his weight, though. He's not a run stuffer (not to say he can't help there any), he's more of a pass rusher. La'roi Glover was undersized, and had some really great years with the Saints, but also played along side DT's like Wayne Martin and Norman Hand. He didn't do much after he left the Saints. Aaron Donald, as good as he is, has played with some really good defensive linemen, as well.

So I'm not knocking Rankins, and I've stated that a few times. I just firmly believe in having strong interior linemen. Not just quick guys. They've brought in some people who have a lot to prove at that position, but hopefully they will do the job. I'm sick of watching RB's jog through there, year after year.

Just curious, where did you get that Rankins isn't a run stuffer? Most of the scouting reports I've read say he's a natural run stuffer.

"IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. - CBS Sports scouting report

"An explosive gap shooter with power and a strong base for run defense, Rankins is a complete defensive tackle - Rotoworld

"Strengths:
Three-down starter
Good run defender
A burst to close
Strong
Tough to move
Played a variety of techniques
Powerful bull rush
Active hands
Pad level
Maintains his gap in run defense - WalterFootball

And I've read many more.

Sheldon Rankins Draft Profile
Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...dl-louisville/
2016 NFL draft: Sheldon Rankins scouting report
Recent news on Sheldon Rankins - Louisville Cardinals - Rotoworld.com
WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Sheldon Rankins

Most of the scouting reports say the same thing, he's a run stuffer with the potential of being an effective pass rusher. So, I'm curious why you say he's not.

AsylumGuido · 05-02-2016, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Just curious, where did you get that Rankins isn't a run stuffer? Most of the scouting reports I've read say he's a natural run stuffer.

"IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. - CBS Sports scouting report

"An explosive gap shooter with power and a strong base for run defense, Rankins is a complete defensive tackle - Rotoworld

"Strengths:
Three-down starter
Good run defender
A burst to close
Strong
Tough to move
Played a variety of techniques
Powerful bull rush
Active hands
Pad level
Maintains his gap in run defense - WalterFootball

And I've read many more.

Sheldon Rankins Draft Profile
Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...dl-louisville/
2016 NFL draft: Sheldon Rankins scouting report
Recent news on Sheldon Rankins - Louisville Cardinals - Rotoworld.com
WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Sheldon Rankins

Most of the scouting reports say the same thing, he's a run stuffer with the potential of being an effective pass rusher. So, I'm curious why you say he's not.

He clearly doesn't know as much as he believes he knows.

burningmetal · 05-02-2016, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He clearly doesn't know as much as he believes he knows.

You clearly have no idea how to do anything but criticize other posters. You can't prove one thing I said is wrong. You only have your own opinion, which is not in line with mine. I don't mind others disagreeing with me, though I will obviously defend my points. But you? You just wait for every opportunity to say something snarky. Maybe if you spent a little more time thinking of something meaningful to say, people might respect you more.

frydaddy · 05-02-2016, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You clearly have no idea how to do anything but criticize other posters. You can't prove one thing I said is wrong. You only have your own opinion, which is not in line with mine. I don't mind others disagreeing with me, though I will obviously defend my points. But you? You just wait for every opportunity to say something snarky. Maybe if you spent a little more time thinking of something meaningful to say, people might respect you more.

I don't think he could do anything to regain respect at this point. He's a smart ass wannabe know it all with nothing better to do than lurk here and wait for people to say something he doesn't agree with. Then he rolls out the same old tired high and mighty holier than thou routine. He probably gets little satisfaction out of anything in his (most likely) miserable existence, so he attempts to derive meaning and purpose through his psychic accountant Internet persona.

Of course he will disagree with all of this.

burningmetal · 05-02-2016, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Just curious, where did you get that Rankins isn't a run stuffer? Most of the scouting reports I've read say he's a natural run stuffer.

"IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. - CBS Sports scouting report

"An explosive gap shooter with power and a strong base for run defense, Rankins is a complete defensive tackle - Rotoworld

"Strengths:
Three-down starter
Good run defender
A burst to close
Strong
Tough to move
Played a variety of techniques
Powerful bull rush
Active hands
Pad level
Maintains his gap in run defense - WalterFootball

And I've read many more.

Sheldon Rankins Draft Profile
Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...dl-louisville/
2016 NFL draft: Sheldon Rankins scouting report
Recent news on Sheldon Rankins - Louisville Cardinals - Rotoworld.com
WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Sheldon Rankins

Most of the scouting reports say the same thing, he's a run stuffer with the potential of being an effective pass rusher. So, I'm curious why you say he's not.

I never said he COULDN'T stop the run. I made a point of putting that in parenthesis, before one of you got butt hurt about my comment. I simply do not view him as a true run stuffer. Everything I've seen shows him shooting the gap and getting after the QB (or running back). That's a little harder to do at the next level. He doesn't strike me as a true lane clogger, and I don't believe that's what they drafted him to do. That does not mean he can't stop the run at all. He's probably better at it then anyone we've had recently. I think he was drafted as an "effective" two way player, and I think that's what he'll be.

This might be difficult for some of you to believe, but I base very little of my opinions on what I read. I'm not a scout any more than the rest of you, and I'm not here to impress you with my knowledge, or what you and others might perceive as my lack thereof. But I'm fairly adept in my own perceptions. I recognize the fact that I could just as easily be wrong.

Utah_Saint · 05-02-2016, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I never said he COULDN'T stop the run.

Umm... Sure seems like that's what you were saying...

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He's not a run stuffer (not to say he can't help there any), he's more of a pass rusher.

Nobody's " butt hurt". I just asked where you got your info. I was interested in reading other sports writers or scouts opinions.

burningmetal · 05-02-2016, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Umm... Sure seems like that's what you were saying...

Nobody's " butt hurt". I just asked where you got your info. I was interested in reading other sports writers or scouts opinions.

You can see what I said right there. The only way I could have worded it better, would have been to say he isn't a run stuffer (Per Se)... In my opinion.

I'm sure he can stop ball carriers that come his way, but I question whether or not he can take on double teams and clear space for others. His skill set would suggest to me, that someone else should be the space eater, so that he can use his quickness to get up field.

The butt hurt comment was meant for certain people who like to get offended when I say something that is perceived as negative, even though it's just an opinion. Not a declaration.

04-30-2016, 12:33 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Yeah, he has talent. He wouldn't go in the first round without it. I just think that if we were only getting one tackle, I'd prefer a strong nose tackle, type. I don't think Rankins is weak, by any means, but he's going to have a difficult time utilizing his pass rushing abilities without some help. I'll never forget when we had Norman Hand, and put up 66 sacks with guys like keith Mitchell and Charlie Clemons, of all people, putting up double digit sack totals. Not that Norman was the sole factor, but I don't think it's coincidental that all of those guys had their best statistical season with him there. I'm less concerned with Rankins' height as I am with his length. That's where I wonder how his leverage will translate into the NFL. I really like his quickness and moves. I just would feel a lot better if he had a sidekick. But I guess we're supposed to trust Nick Fairley... Here's hoping for the best. MarchingOn likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-30-2016, 08:07 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by burningmetal Yeah, he has talent. He wouldn't go in the first round without it. I just think that if we were only getting one tackle, I'd prefer a strong nose tackle, type. I don't think Rankins is weak, by any means, but he's going to have a difficult time utilizing his pass rushing abilities without some help. I'll never forget when we had Norman Hand, and put up 66 sacks with guys like keith Mitchell and Charlie Clemons, of all people, putting up double digit sack totals. Not that Norman was the sole factor, but I don't think it's coincidental that all of those guys had their best statistical season with him there. I'm less concerned with Rankins' height as I am with his length. That's where I wonder how his leverage will translate into the NFL. I really like his quickness and moves. I just would feel a lot better if he had a sidekick. But I guess we're supposed to trust Nick Fairley... Here's hoping for the best. True, if he was 10 pounds heavier he'd have been a top 5 pick. Only one DT had graded out higher over the last 2 seasons than Rankins, Aaron Donald, who happens to be 1" shorter and 15 pounds lighter than Rankins. MarchingOn likes this.

05-02-2016, 12:24 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Danno True, if he was 10 pounds heavier he'd have been a top 5 pick. Only one DT had graded out higher over the last 2 seasons than Rankins, Aaron Donald, who happens to be 1" shorter and 15 pounds lighter than Rankins. True enough. I didn't say anything about his weight, though. He's not a run stuffer (not to say he can't help there any), he's more of a pass rusher. La'roi Glover was undersized, and had some really great years with the Saints, but also played along side DT's like Wayne Martin and Norman Hand. He didn't do much after he left the Saints. Aaron Donald, as good as he is, has played with some really good defensive linemen, as well. So I'm not knocking Rankins, and I've stated that a few times. I just firmly believe in having strong interior linemen. Not just quick guys. They've brought in some people who have a lot to prove at that position, but hopefully they will do the job. I'm sick of watching RB's jog through there, year after year.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-02-2016, 12:51 PM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by burningmetal True enough. I didn't say anything about his weight, though. He's not a run stuffer (not to say he can't help there any), he's more of a pass rusher. La'roi Glover was undersized, and had some really great years with the Saints, but also played along side DT's like Wayne Martin and Norman Hand. He didn't do much after he left the Saints. Aaron Donald, as good as he is, has played with some really good defensive linemen, as well. So I'm not knocking Rankins, and I've stated that a few times. I just firmly believe in having strong interior linemen. Not just quick guys. They've brought in some people who have a lot to prove at that position, but hopefully they will do the job. I'm sick of watching RB's jog through there, year after year. Just curious, where did you get that Rankins isn't a run stuffer? Most of the scouting reports I've read say he's a natural run stuffer. "IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. - CBS Sports scouting report "An explosive gap shooter with power and a strong base for run defense, Rankins is a complete defensive tackle - Rotoworld "Strengths: Three-down starter Good run defender A burst to close Strong Tough to move Played a variety of techniques Powerful bull rush Active hands Pad level Maintains his gap in run defense - WalterFootball And I've read many more. Sheldon Rankins Draft Profile Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...dl-louisville/ 2016 NFL draft: Sheldon Rankins scouting report Recent news on Sheldon Rankins - Louisville Cardinals - Rotoworld.com WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Sheldon Rankins Most of the scouting reports say the same thing, he's a run stuffer with the potential of being an effective pass rusher. So, I'm curious why you say he's not. Danno, AsylumGuido, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

05-02-2016, 01:33 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Just curious, where did you get that Rankins isn't a run stuffer? Most of the scouting reports I've read say he's a natural run stuffer. "IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. - CBS Sports scouting report "An explosive gap shooter with power and a strong base for run defense, Rankins is a complete defensive tackle - Rotoworld "Strengths: Three-down starter Good run defender A burst to close Strong Tough to move Played a variety of techniques Powerful bull rush Active hands Pad level Maintains his gap in run defense - WalterFootball And I've read many more. Sheldon Rankins Draft Profile Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...dl-louisville/ 2016 NFL draft: Sheldon Rankins scouting report Recent news on Sheldon Rankins - Louisville Cardinals - Rotoworld.com WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Sheldon Rankins Most of the scouting reports say the same thing, he's a run stuffer with the potential of being an effective pass rusher. So, I'm curious why you say he's not. He clearly doesn't know as much as he believes he knows.

05-02-2016, 02:26 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He clearly doesn't know as much as he believes he knows. You clearly have no idea how to do anything but criticize other posters. You can't prove one thing I said is wrong. You only have your own opinion, which is not in line with mine. I don't mind others disagreeing with me, though I will obviously defend my points. But you? You just wait for every opportunity to say something snarky. Maybe if you spent a little more time thinking of something meaningful to say, people might respect you more.

05-02-2016, 02:47 PM	#7
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by burningmetal You clearly have no idea how to do anything but criticize other posters. You can't prove one thing I said is wrong. You only have your own opinion, which is not in line with mine. I don't mind others disagreeing with me, though I will obviously defend my points. But you? You just wait for every opportunity to say something snarky. Maybe if you spent a little more time thinking of something meaningful to say, people might respect you more. I don't think he could do anything to regain respect at this point. He's a smart ass wannabe know it all with nothing better to do than lurk here and wait for people to say something he doesn't agree with. Then he rolls out the same old tired high and mighty holier than thou routine. He probably gets little satisfaction out of anything in his (most likely) miserable existence, so he attempts to derive meaning and purpose through his psychic accountant Internet persona. Of course he will disagree with all of this. burningmetal likes this.

05-02-2016, 02:16 PM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Just curious, where did you get that Rankins isn't a run stuffer? Most of the scouting reports I've read say he's a natural run stuffer. "IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. - CBS Sports scouting report "An explosive gap shooter with power and a strong base for run defense, Rankins is a complete defensive tackle - Rotoworld "Strengths: Three-down starter Good run defender A burst to close Strong Tough to move Played a variety of techniques Powerful bull rush Active hands Pad level Maintains his gap in run defense - WalterFootball And I've read many more. Sheldon Rankins Draft Profile Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...dl-louisville/ 2016 NFL draft: Sheldon Rankins scouting report Recent news on Sheldon Rankins - Louisville Cardinals - Rotoworld.com WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Sheldon Rankins Most of the scouting reports say the same thing, he's a run stuffer with the potential of being an effective pass rusher. So, I'm curious why you say he's not. I never said he COULDN'T stop the run. I made a point of putting that in parenthesis, before one of you got butt hurt about my comment. I simply do not view him as a true run stuffer. Everything I've seen shows him shooting the gap and getting after the QB (or running back). That's a little harder to do at the next level. He doesn't strike me as a true lane clogger, and I don't believe that's what they drafted him to do. That does not mean he can't stop the run at all. He's probably better at it then anyone we've had recently. I think he was drafted as an "effective" two way player, and I think that's what he'll be. This might be difficult for some of you to believe, but I base very little of my opinions on what I read. I'm not a scout any more than the rest of you, and I'm not here to impress you with my knowledge, or what you and others might perceive as my lack thereof. But I'm fairly adept in my own perceptions. I recognize the fact that I could just as easily be wrong.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-02-2016, 04:17 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by burningmetal I never said he COULDN'T stop the run. Umm... Sure seems like that's what you were saying... Originally Posted by burningmetal He's not a run stuffer (not to say he can't help there any), he's more of a pass rusher. Nobody's " butt hurt". I just asked where you got your info. I was interested in reading other sports writers or scouts opinions.

05-02-2016, 05:04 PM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints select Sheldon Rankins in 2016 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Umm... Sure seems like that's what you were saying... Nobody's " butt hurt". I just asked where you got your info. I was interested in reading other sports writers or scouts opinions. You can see what I said right there. The only way I could have worded it better, would have been to say he isn't a run stuffer (Per Se)... In my opinion. I'm sure he can stop ball carriers that come his way, but I question whether or not he can take on double teams and clear space for others. His skill set would suggest to me, that someone else should be the space eater, so that he can use his quickness to get up field. The butt hurt comment was meant for certain people who like to get offended when I say something that is perceived as negative, even though it's just an opinion. Not a declaration.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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