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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Payton said that Kikaha is moving to DE this year. Richardson is not slated to be a starter. Starting DE's will be Jordan and Kikaha. In passing situations that would be outstanding, I just don't think ...

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Old 04-29-2016, 09:34 PM   #1
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Re: Michael Thomas!!

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Payton said that Kikaha is moving to DE this year. Richardson is not slated to be a starter. Starting DE's will be Jordan and Kikaha.
In passing situations that would be outstanding, I just don't think Kikaha can hold the edge against the run... Maybe he is adding a bit of weight though.
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:51 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
In passing situations that would be outstanding, I just don't think Kikaha can hold the edge against the run... Maybe he is adding a bit of weight though.
Payton said he would be used as the "Jack" DE, the position Jordan played last year.
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Old 04-30-2016, 08:17 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
In passing situations that would be outstanding, I just don't think Kikaha can hold the edge against the run... Maybe he is adding a bit of weight though.
I'm sure Greg Hardy could be had for cheap.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:12 PM   #4
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We need a DT that could rush the passer. We drafted the best one in the draft
We needed a sure handed WR to replace Colston. We drafted his clone.
We needed a cover safety, and drafted the best cover safety in the draft

What the hell else were you guys wanting?
And who knows... we actually might have a GOOD FREAKING DRAFT....
Some how we all doubt it based on experience.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:45 PM   #5
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And who knows... we actually might have a GOOD FREAKING DRAFT....
Some how we all doubt it based on experience.
How many thought the 2006 draft was good? Give it a chance people.
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Old 04-30-2016, 01:44 AM   #6
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Re: Michael Thomas!!

Originally Posted by Danno View Post
We need a DT that could rush the passer. We drafted the best one in the draft
We needed a sure handed WR to replace Colston. We drafted his clone.
We needed a cover safety, and drafted the best cover safety in the draft

What the hell else were you guys wanting?
I disagree that we drafted Colston's clone. Not the good Colston. Just because a WR is perceived as "physical" does not make him Colston. This guy offers very little outside of having decent hands and adequate speed. He's not a guy known for spectacular catches, or great run after the catch (which doesn't take top end speed).

I actually like Bell, but we are already pretty heavily invested at the safety position. I did not expect that pick, at all.

He reminds me of a lot of receivers in the NFL. He'll be good enough to stick around, but I just don't see him as being the answer. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 04-30-2016, 02:20 AM   #7
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or great run after the catch (which doesn't take top end speed).

Thats is wrong according to nearly every scout report
Various reports

YAC

Yards After Catch is key to being a productive receiver. Once you catch the ball, you have to be able to turn upfield quickly and elude or break tackles to gain additional yards.

Thomas’s YAC ability is very good, as he possesses the quickness to turn upfield immediately after he’s secured the catch and make defenders miss using both elusive moves and the play strength to break tackles.




Thomas’ has made some impressive grabs during his time at Ohio State, showing the strong hands and toughness to make plays in traffic. You want to see a big receiver play big at the catch point and box defenders out, and Thomas has the my-ball mentality teams will covet.

There just aren’t many weaknesses to Thomas’ well-oiled skill set, as the big receiver is aggressive and physical against press coverage, showing the quick feet to slip jams and the hand usage to fight off longer corners down the field. He’s rarely altered in his route by contact, as Thomas understands pre-catch positioning as well as any receiver in the draft. The Ohio State pass-catcher offers the added bonus of being quite deadly after the catch, transitioning quickly from receiver to runner by working upfield immediately after the reception.



Here is the PFF draft profile for Ohio State wide receiver Michael Thomas, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here.

Position fit:
Outside wide receiver – 670 of his 711 snaps in 2015 were spent on the outside

Stat to know:
Dropped just five of the 115 catchable passes thrown his way over the past two seasons

What he does best:
• Very good hands, just five drops in 2014 and 2015
• Good after the catch, averaged 6.6 yards after the catch per reception and forced a missed tackle on 23.2 percent of his receptions in 2015
• Uses hands well to defeat press coverage, helping to create separation
• Impressive footwork, looked very good on double moves
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Old 04-30-2016, 05:24 AM   #8
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Thats is wrong according to nearly every scout report
Various reports

YAC

Yards After Catch is key to being a productive receiver. Once you catch the ball, you have to be able to turn upfield quickly and elude or break tackles to gain additional yards.

Thomas’s YAC ability is very good, as he possesses the quickness to turn upfield immediately after he’s secured the catch and make defenders miss using both elusive moves and the play strength to break tackles.




Thomas’ has made some impressive grabs during his time at Ohio State, showing the strong hands and toughness to make plays in traffic. You want to see a big receiver play big at the catch point and box defenders out, and Thomas has the my-ball mentality teams will covet.

There just aren’t many weaknesses to Thomas’ well-oiled skill set, as the big receiver is aggressive and physical against press coverage, showing the quick feet to slip jams and the hand usage to fight off longer corners down the field. He’s rarely altered in his route by contact, as Thomas understands pre-catch positioning as well as any receiver in the draft. The Ohio State pass-catcher offers the added bonus of being quite deadly after the catch, transitioning quickly from receiver to runner by working upfield immediately after the reception.



Here is the PFF draft profile for Ohio State wide receiver Michael Thomas, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here.

Position fit:
Outside wide receiver – 670 of his 711 snaps in 2015 were spent on the outside

Stat to know:
Dropped just five of the 115 catchable passes thrown his way over the past two seasons

What he does best:
• Very good hands, just five drops in 2014 and 2015
• Good after the catch, averaged 6.6 yards after the catch per reception and forced a missed tackle on 23.2 percent of his receptions in 2015
• Uses hands well to defeat press coverage, helping to create separation
• Impressive footwork, looked very good on double moves
I use the eye ball test. In college, nearly half of your games are played against extremely inferior opponents. His overall numbers are very average even factoring in those games. YAC includes any kind of yards after catch. I'm thinking about yards after CONTACT, or extra yards after you're forward progress has been impeded. Something he will see much more of in the NFL. I have no doubt he piled up plenty on wide open throws down field. I saw a lot of Ohio State games, and this guy never did much to impress me.

As far as reading scouting reports, I've read that his route running is not very polished, and that he doesn't really fight for the off target ball.

It makes sense that PFF (the "scouting" service I make fun of routinely) would be the one to try to contradict all of that. I've seen the guy play. I'm not overly impressed.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 04-30-2016, 10:28 AM   #9
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I use the eye ball test. In college, nearly half of your games are played against extremely inferior opponents. His overall numbers are very average even factoring in those games. YAC includes any kind of yards after catch. I'm thinking about yards after CONTACT, or extra yards after you're forward progress has been impeded. Something he will see much more of in the NFL. I have no doubt he piled up plenty on wide open throws down field. I saw a lot of Ohio State games, and this guy never did much to impress me.

As far as reading scouting reports, I've read that his route running is not very polished, and that he doesn't really fight for the off target ball.

It makes sense that PFF (the "scouting" service I make fun of routinely) would be the one to try to contradict all of that. I've seen the guy play. I'm not overly impressed.
A lot of his play came off of YAC in every sense of the acronym he also did play in a run first offense with the

A lot of his big plays came off of YAC in every sense of the acronym didn't play with the most polished QB's emphasis on QB'S and had the #1 drafted RB on his team, and still with all of that led the team the past two seasons in receiving, Megatron didn't have the most exceptional numbers in college either, might mean his best football is has to come and hopefully arrives in NO sooner but sticks around for later
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:29 PM   #10
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Welcome Michael Thomas. You got some big shoes to fill.
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