Underwhelmed

Seer1 · 05-02-2016, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

can someone come up with a "MoneyBall" formula to help us find talent?

The Browns grabbed him first...

st thomas · 05-02-2016, 02:26 PM

It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it

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burningmetal · 05-02-2016, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it.

Bro, you are more than entitled to your opinion. Everyone has one. Nobody is getting hurt by voicing (or typing) an opinion. Any person who is offended by a fan who doesn't simply agree, automatically, with everything their team does... Can simply not read message boards. I'm not putting you down, but man, it's not a crime to disagree.

And I might add that this team has a far worse track record in drafts than the percentages you gave. Everyone is hoping the knew scouting department will change things, but it's too early to know.

st thomas · 05-02-2016, 11:57 PM

thank u burningmetal I just like to throw a little fun on top of a bad reply I totally get it bros

skymike · 05-03-2016, 09:56 PM

I think our history is part of what makes us who we are, especially the
bad times.

CheramieIII · 05-03-2016, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I think our history is part of what makes us who we are, especially the
bad times.

WHO DAT!

Danno · 05-02-2016, 03:49 PM

My take on all this is simple, well not really. I'm not a scout but there are several sites and scouts and even some posters whose opinions and observations I respect.

When all have a similar view on a player then I generally accept that as either a valid strength or weakness.

I also look at fit. If most are saying a player is a good fit for system A, but we run system B, then I don't think that player is a good fit for us. Like Power Blockers in a Zone Scheme, or man CB's in a zone scheme, or 3-4 OLB in a 4-3 front.

Then measuarbles. Do players with similar measurables typically fail? Does a 4.9 sec LB really have a shot in coverage? What about the other stats? I look at short area quickness for O and D lines. 40 times are like tits on a bull for OG's and DT's, but that 10 yard split is very important.
Arm lengths for CB's and DE's etc... CB's with T-Rex arms just ain't gonna cut it.

Then character issues. Is he a jerk? Is he a diva? High football IQ? Work ethic?

Then I also look at need. Was it a luxury pick? Can they help us now? Or will it take 2 or 3 years to develop? I don't like projects picked early but don't mind them late.

Then there's value. Could that player have been picked a round or two later? Did we pass up a stud at a need position for a reach?

Utah_Saint · 05-02-2016, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

My take on all this is simple, well not really. I'm not a scout but there are several sites and scouts and even some posters whose opinions and observations I respect.

When all have a similar view on a player then I generally accept that as either a valid strength or weakness.

I also look at fit. If most are saying a player is a good fit for system A, but we run system B, then I don't think that player is a good fit for us. Like Power Blockers in a Zone Scheme, or man CB's in a zone scheme, or 3-4 OLB in a 4-3 front.

Then measuarbles. Do players with similar measurables typically fail? Does a 4.9 sec LB really have a shot in coverage? What about the other stats? I look at short area quickness for O and D lines. 40 times are like tits on a bull for OG's and DT's, but that 10 yard split is very important.
Arm lengths for CB's and DE's etc... CB's with T-Rex arms just ain't gonna cut it.

Then character issues. Is he a jerk? Is he a diva? High football IQ? Work ethic?

Then I also look at need. Was it a luxury pick? Can they help us now? Or will it take 2 or 3 years to develop? I don't like projects picked early but don't mind them late.

Then there's value. Could that player have been picked a round or two later? Did we pass up a stud at a need position for a reach?

I think that's a great way to do it. I personally put character issues very high on my list because it affects how I like the players on my team. I'd rather root for a guy that doesn't have all the talent but tries to make up for it with hustle than a superstar that quits whenever the going gets tough.

Rugby Saint II · 05-06-2016, 02:11 PM

Recent history is what matters to me. The last two drafts look like winners. We are trending up.

spkb25 · 05-08-2016, 07:02 AM

watching top undrafted players and they just went through John Randle. He was about the same size as Rankins.

05-02-2016, 02:10 PM	#1
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by SapperSaint can someone come up with a "MoneyBall" formula to help us find talent? The Browns grabbed him first...

05-02-2016, 02:26 PM	#2
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Underwhelmed It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it. AsylumGuido likes this.
	thats the fact jack!!!!!

05-02-2016, 02:42 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by st thomas It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it. Bro, you are more than entitled to your opinion. Everyone has one. Nobody is getting hurt by voicing (or typing) an opinion. Any person who is offended by a fan who doesn't simply agree, automatically, with everything their team does... Can simply not read message boards. I'm not putting you down, but man, it's not a crime to disagree. And I might add that this team has a far worse track record in drafts than the percentages you gave. Everyone is hoping the knew scouting department will change things, but it's too early to know. spkb25 and TheDeuce like this.

05-02-2016, 11:57 PM	#4
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Underwhelmed thank u burningmetal I just like to throw a little fun on top of a bad reply I totally get it bros

05-03-2016, 09:56 PM	#5
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Underwhelmed I think our history is part of what makes us who we are, especially the bad times. CheramieIII likes this.

05-03-2016, 10:36 PM	#6
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by skymike I think our history is part of what makes us who we are, especially the bad times. WHO DAT! skymike likes this.

05-02-2016, 03:49 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Underwhelmed My take on all this is simple, well not really. I'm not a scout but there are several sites and scouts and even some posters whose opinions and observations I respect. When all have a similar view on a player then I generally accept that as either a valid strength or weakness. I also look at fit. If most are saying a player is a good fit for system A, but we run system B, then I don't think that player is a good fit for us. Like Power Blockers in a Zone Scheme, or man CB's in a zone scheme, or 3-4 OLB in a 4-3 front. Then measuarbles. Do players with similar measurables typically fail? Does a 4.9 sec LB really have a shot in coverage? What about the other stats? I look at short area quickness for O and D lines. 40 times are like tits on a bull for OG's and DT's, but that 10 yard split is very important. Arm lengths for CB's and DE's etc... CB's with T-Rex arms just ain't gonna cut it. Then character issues. Is he a jerk? Is he a diva? High football IQ? Work ethic? Then I also look at need. Was it a luxury pick? Can they help us now? Or will it take 2 or 3 years to develop? I don't like projects picked early but don't mind them late. Then there's value. Could that player have been picked a round or two later? Did we pass up a stud at a need position for a reach? CheramieIII and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-02-2016, 04:25 PM	#8
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by Danno My take on all this is simple, well not really. I'm not a scout but there are several sites and scouts and even some posters whose opinions and observations I respect. When all have a similar view on a player then I generally accept that as either a valid strength or weakness. I also look at fit. If most are saying a player is a good fit for system A, but we run system B, then I don't think that player is a good fit for us. Like Power Blockers in a Zone Scheme, or man CB's in a zone scheme, or 3-4 OLB in a 4-3 front. Then measuarbles. Do players with similar measurables typically fail? Does a 4.9 sec LB really have a shot in coverage? What about the other stats? I look at short area quickness for O and D lines. 40 times are like tits on a bull for OG's and DT's, but that 10 yard split is very important. Arm lengths for CB's and DE's etc... CB's with T-Rex arms just ain't gonna cut it. Then character issues. Is he a jerk? Is he a diva? High football IQ? Work ethic? Then I also look at need. Was it a luxury pick? Can they help us now? Or will it take 2 or 3 years to develop? I don't like projects picked early but don't mind them late. Then there's value. Could that player have been picked a round or two later? Did we pass up a stud at a need position for a reach? I think that's a great way to do it. I personally put character issues very high on my list because it affects how I like the players on my team. I'd rather root for a guy that doesn't have all the talent but tries to make up for it with hustle than a superstar that quits whenever the going gets tough. Danno likes this.

05-06-2016, 02:11 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Underwhelmed Recent history is what matters to me. The last two drafts look like winners. We are trending up. MarchingOn and WhoDatFan26 like this.

05-08-2016, 07:02 AM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Underwhelmed watching top undrafted players and they just went through John Randle. He was about the same size as Rankins. WhoDatFan26 likes this.

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