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Re-Grading the New Orleans Saints 2013 Draft Class
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The idea of doing a regrade of the drafts came up in a previous thread so here it is. FA and picking up 5th year options is a good point in time to look back and reflect, So here it is A POLL in all its glory.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NFL_draft
It's also important to factor who was left on the board... Our UDRFA haul included G Tim Lelito, RB Khiry Robinson and TE Josh Hill... |
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We were hobbled by the bountycrap draft limitations. Still bad memories for me.
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I'm still not sold on Vaccarro, and wanted Jenkins teammate instead. I give it a B- and only that high because of Armstead.
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(A-) Round 1, Pick 15 (15) SS Kenny Vaccaro, Texas; Height: 6'0"; Weight: 214 lbs
(A+) Round 3, Pick 13 (75) LT Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff; Height: 6'5"; Weight: 306 lbs (D-) *Round 3, Pick 20 (82) (From Bears through Dolphins) John Jenkins, Georgia; Height: 6'4"; Weight: 346 lbs *Miami traded this selection to New Orleans in exchange for two fourth-round selections from New Orleans (106th and 109th); that's two (2) picks... (A+) Round 5, Pick 11 (144) WR Kenny Stills, Oklahoma; Height: 6'0"; Weight: 194 (F) Round 6, Pick 15 (183) DE Rufus Johnson, Tarleton St.; Height: 6'4; Weight: 266 lbs (A-) UDRFA To Make The Team: QB Ryan Griffin, LG Tim Lelito, TE Josh Hill UDRFA To Tryout And Make The Team: RB Khiry Robinson Overall Draft Grade: (B-) Overall Rookie Class Grade: (B+) This should have been an A+ draft and RFA haul even with the second round penalty; but the move up for Jenkins when other NT were available was costly; and though Rufus Johnson was a great, feel-good story, he was a poor fit and many scratched their heads as to why the Saints threw the pick away as they did; they'd done better trading it, rolling it forward; give Jeff Ireland alot of credit for getting Dannell Ellerbe AND a 3rd round pick for Stills from Miami... Wonder WTF happen this year? Guess Payton decided he didn't like sharing in the draft room... |
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I would rate it A even if it was just for Armstead. This was a pretty good draft overall.
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I give it an A. Because we got a starting LT out of it and I still never understood why we traded Stills. Add to the fact that most Saints' fans were on the Jarvis Jones train. That didn't work out well for Pitt and I think Vaccaro is a much better player.
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Since Vaccaro's rookie season I really haven't seen anything of note from him.
He doesn't land the big hits, doesn't make any interceptions and 2 seasons ago missed more tackles than I've had hot dinners. I can't blame it all on him because we have lost the battle upfront for years now, hopefully an improved front 7 will let him go back to his rookie year level of play. |
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Lotulelei and Danny Shelton over the past few years |
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Need more pop than just Armstead.
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An F? http://memecrunch.com/meme/12P2A/c-mon-man/image.png |
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1) We needed a better pick in the 1st than Vaccaro. Then again, I wanted OLB Jarvis Jones (who may still turn out worth it but hasn't yet). And at least V isn't a bust. Mostly remembering hating losing out on DT Star L'...preview of Deja Vu all over again when we lost out on DT Shelton the following year. 3) Loved the Armstead pick then and just as much now. Then loved we selected a big NT (finally) after all these years of runs up the middle. Alas, Jenkins wasn't the best one to fill the slot. 6) could not figure out why we took a flier on Rufus. What I really hoped for was to double up on the DT/NT we clearly needed then and now. I wanted Geathers in the 6th or 7th but he went UDFA to the Chargers (and made their team which surely shows he deserved a 6th or 7th). This year, I like we did double up on DTs with Rankins and Oynemata. So thankful for the shots that I'll give a pass on the targets. |
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Stills got traded to Miami because his attitude rubbed the leaders in the locker room the wrong way
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How drunk were the 2 people that gave the draft a D and F?
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Armstead may be an All-Pro (not just Pro-Bowl) this year Vaccaro may flirt with a probowl if he continues to improve. JJenkins may be the most under-rated player on our entire defense. KStills looks to be a starter again next year. Rufus was a late round gamble that didn't pan out. Shocker? Hardly How anyone could rate that draft anything lower than a B indicates they have absolutely no freaking idea about the NFL or the NFL Draft. Not shocking however, given the comments by our so called draft gurus about this current draft. |
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He gives you a "F" you. :lolup: |
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Almost gave it a B rating.
Kenny Vaccaro is still a work in progress and I am wondering if this is as good as it gets. As usual I wanted to trade down. Alec Ogletree was my man. Terron Armstead we all saw the writing on the wall John Jenkins did not like it then and he has done little to change my mind. Trading up to get him only made matters worse. He is the only big butted player on the team still so that is the biggest reason he is a starter. He get pushed around way to much for a man this big. Maybe DA is his savior. My pick was to stay put and draft Jesse Williams in round 4 Kenny Stills caught me by surprise. Stills has a gift. But he is a dolphin now and the Dannell Ellerbe and a third in 2015 on P.J. Williams is full of unanswered questions because of IR issues. A.J.Klein was my pick. He was everything he was billed as. A Swiss Army Knife LB. Rufus Johnson say what? shame part about it is the Pats love the kid for special teams and DE depth. Never understood Rob trying to make a OLB out of a kid 6'5/272. So 5 players with 7 picks and one of those goes Roger Goodell so by 2014 standards this was a home run. :) Trading up for John Jenkins and losing both Rufus Johnson and to some extent Sills made me drop the grade to C. Lets see how players do under DA. getting rid of rob alone could change everything With Rob thrown into the evaluations I should have included an Incomplete as an option |
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If anything we need a pocket closing NT to help the ends. |
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Where does the JJenkins hate come from?
I thought he played just fine and PFF ranked him as our 4th best defensive player on the entire team. He also had the 4th most snaps on our team. Ya'll wonder why we didn't draft a NT? Because we already have a pretty damn good one on the team already. |
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never was a huge fan. year one i was pulling crow from the freezer. It did not take long before he went back to being the player he was in college and the crow went right back in the freezer. I am giving him and any player that had Rob Ryan as their coach a pass. |
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Not been that impressed with Jenkins. Teams have been tunning through the front regularly and he hasn't exactly freed up anyone else to rush but taking on more than one blocker. As has been said lets see what he does under a new DC
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KVac should be the best in the NFL for where he was picked; not a question mark or situational player he seems to have become. He did kick arse his rookie year. We'll see this year if he steps it up. Grade C Armstead just got his money. Something KVac did not get, a second contract. Armstead improved as a third rounder, exactly what you want. Grade A+ No second rounder. Grade F. Jenkins was good his rookie year then disappeared. Too many shrimp poboys, or chickenz wings. He's still here only because there is no one else... until this year. We had to get Williams last year to help him out. Maybe his best role is as a situational player. That means his days are numbered. Grade C Stills and Rufus are no longer on the team. So that's a fail with a big F. The big fat F brings the average down to an F.. maybe an F+. :dunce: |
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How is Stills a F
He was drafted in the 5th round made to look good by Brees and traded for a 3rd round (PJ Williams) and Ellerbe |
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Now these are the grades I like to see... down the road to see who panned out. This is a real testament to how and what we have done in drafts and FA.
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Armstead is the only serious A in the group. It was about a 50/50 roll of the dice. I give the draft a B.
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