Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
 

The Saints and quarterback Drew Brees still haven’t worked out a new deal that reduces his salary-cap number for 2016 below $30 million. There’s now an apparent deadline for getting a deal done.

“I don’t like to talk about contracts during the season,” Brees said Wednesday, via the Associated Press. “If you remember in 2011, where it began to drag into the season, three weeks in I was like, ‘I don’t want to deal with it anymore. I want to focus on football, focus on the season.’ That has always been my approach. That’ll be my approach again. There’s a deal to be done now, and if it doesn’t get done now, it’ll be a different deal to get done at the end of the year.”

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I know my oppinion wont be very popular and I love Drew to death but i think you call hid bluff finish this contract. Next season do not under any circumstance francise him. Yes id want him for a few more yrs 2-3 but at the price of 15-20 million per year but not any more than that.he said he dont wanna play anywhere else well its time to put up or shut up Drew do you wamt to be here amd have a decent chance to win or is it just about the money.

sorry for typos big fingers small cell phone keyboard

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Agreed Shrimp. I think it's time we just said if you want to stay here please take a pay cut or thanks for your service. New Orleans has done more for Drew than he could ever do for us. We gave him a chance when no one else would so anything past that is because of New Orleans baby!

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I know this won't be a popular opinion, but I agree. Brees will be 38y/o at the end of the season. You don't pay a 38y/o QB 26y/o QB money.

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I understand taking care of yourself. I really do. However, at some point you have to reach enough money. He has provided his children and his children's children a solid life, financially. This is why agent's make me sick. Agent's always draw this crap out. Trying to get every dollar they can get. Drew really needs to be his own man and walk in and say, "Hey; what is best for y'all and for me to still get paid? Ok! and sign the damn paper.". Sorry, but that's JMHO.

Drew if you feel like it's not moving along as fast as you'd hope; then maybe; this time, it might be you and your agent that are prolonging this deal.

This organization has solidified your career. Guaranteed you a first ballot HoF induction. Your Jacket size and Bronze bust are already ordered. National commercials. The list goes on and on. Sign the deal and stop jerking off.

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Let's hope this off-season drama doesn't spill into the season and some agreement is made. The drama is almost as bad as players being injured before camp - players never seem to deliver 100% when court cases and contracts are on their minds.

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Re: Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal
 

Its not like we are going to have to pay the guy for the next 4 years. They can cut him anytime they want after the contract is signed if he loses too much. It will most likely be a front loaded contract anyway so the cap hit probably wont be to bad if they do cut him.
There just isnt a better option in the league right now or coming out of college in the next year or two. Hes got two more years at a high level. We need to ride that train as long as we can. We get rid of him too early and it will be years before we are contenders again.
New QBs come with new schemes, new protection, and a different pace. It is rarely a plug and play when it comes to QB. Unless they are elite.

You cant blame him for trying to get the best contract for himself. This is his last go round and he knows it. Yea we see him making so many millions a year but we dont know what his financial situation he is. For all we know his Jimmy Johns venture is putting him in the hole a couple million a year. I dont care if you make 100 million a year, if your losses in other business ventures are 99,999,999 you arent making squat.

I realize the Bernie Sanders mindset is appealing but you cant blame a guy for trying to make as much money as he can. Agents make you sick because they try to get every dollar they can?? Thats their freaking job. I wonder how many of you would tell your boss you dont want a raise "because its best for the company" when your time comes.

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So we franchise him next year 2017.
That will be less of a cap hit than 30 mill he is getting this year.

Franchise him again the following year 2018.
That will again be less of a cap hit of 30 mill in 2016

Deal with a new contract when he turns 40

Two can play at this game.

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Drew has all the leverage. Might as well pay him now even if we can't get much of a cut to help the team. It's only going to get worse.

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I don't think we actually can play that game. In either '17 or '18 the 44% raise clause would kick in for a QB being tagged more than twice... so 25 million in '17 would be 36 million in '18... not that we would sign the first one anyway

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if he was francised next year his cap number would be 44 million no way you can pay a single person on a team sport and feild a decent team .thats moronic if it was to be done. like i said before i love Drew to death and greatful for all he has done for us but i think its getting time to move on to the future as great a he has been you can see he is losing some of his skills.

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drew will get a deal

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Posturing. In the end he'll sign somewhere between what he wants and what we offer.
If not, I'm ok with moving on if necessary

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I do wonder if the front office is seeing what happens next year. Play well/show signs of contendibg get him a new deal. Another 7-9/8-8 and just go into full rebuild mode with plenty of cap to do it.

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As it stands
Ryan Nassib
Mike Glennon
Kirk Cousins

Are all FA next year. Not saying any are franchise QBs but if my theory is right about thr front office waiting to see what happens they could be worth a look

Of a EJ Manuel and Geno Smith and we can all pretend its the 85-05 again

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You ain't going anywhere.

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Not attacking you Dude. I just want it done, like everyone else does.

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I stand corrected. we can not play that tagging with Drew. I forgot we lost the arbitration claim in 2012, Crap

That’s the closest Brees or his agent have come to pointing out the reality that, if the Saints allow Brees to play out the final year of his five-year, $100 million contract, the circumstances will change, dramatically. They’ll change thanks to the arbitration claim filed by Brees after the Saints applied the franchise tag to him in 2012, which resulted in a ruling that the next application of the tag to Brees will be the third of his career.

Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal | ProFootballTalk

Need to read slower i guess

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I would like to observe that the same was said of Farve in Green Bay and Manning in Indianapolis.

I really feel that many folks here are misreading today's NFL QB market. Frankly many Saints fans have gotten so used to Brees being so good and so consistent for so long they really do not realize how valuable a commodity he is, even at 39,40, and 41 years old.

As pointed out earlier, Brees has all the leverage here. A $75 million, 3 year, all guaranteed contract isn't out of the question next year for Brees. There are teams out there that have both the cap space and the desperation to make that offer.

There are only 3 or 4 elite NFL QBs. Brees is in that category.

And I reiterate that Brees isn't in the same situation as Brady. Brady's wife literally makes $40 million+ a year. Brady can afford to be flexible.

Like Farve and Manning, Brees' legacy is already cemented. He doesn't have to finish as a Saint to be considered one of the greatest QBs in NFL history. He already has the stats and track record to ensure that no matter what happens from 2017 to 2020.

Like everyone, NFL players want to be paid worth their value and to have safety and security. Just take a look at Joe Flacco last year to see why multiple years and guaranteed money are important.

So just to put it in perspective. Think about the type of dollars it would take to get Brady, Luck, or Rodgers to come and play for the Saints. Think about the total contract value, years, and guaranteed money.

That's what's going to have to be put on the table to keep Brees beyond 2016.

And it's a worthless argument to try to mitigate this with age. 10 years of elite performance, including being in the top 3 in every passing category last year means the age is just a number in this instance.

So the only question is whether or not the Saints are prepared to pony up $25 million or so per year for at least 3 years with most of the dollars guaranteed.

At $44 million, franchising isn't an option.

SFIAH

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New England does.

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Sorry...but I can't see Drew in any other uniform but black & gold.

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His cap hit if taged next year will be more like 43 million. If he wants that type of money I say go after cousins.

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I stand corrected. we can not play that tagging with Drew. I forgot we lost the arbitration claim in 2012, Crap

That’s the closest Brees or his agent have come to pointing out the reality that, if the Saints allow Brees to play out the final year of his five-year, $100 million contract, the circumstances will change, dramatically. They’ll change thanks to the arbitration claim filed by Brees after the Saints applied the franchise tag to him in 2012, which resulted in a ruling that the next application of the tag to Brees will be the third of his career.

Drew Brees applies deadline to talks with Saints on a new deal | ProFootballTalk

Need to read slower i guess

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This feels like extortion to me. Remember Drew Brees is who hired Tom Condon in the first place. He was advised by Condon and held out at camp last time while missing the reps with his team. I don't believe that Drew Brees is team oriented anymore. :roll:

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Drew deserved his contract at the end of 2011, but now he knows he's nearing the end of his career he should try and think about the team more than himself. He's already more than set up his family for several lifetimes, why hold out, sign a two year contract, coach up your replacement and retire a saint.

I still believe Brees' contract was the reason we lost Carl Nick's, our O line was incredible in those years, now Brees runs for his life and won't give the team any money as they try to help him get more super bowls before his time is up.

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Brees has already made a helluva lot of money w the Saints. Saints showed him the love in 2011 and he is set for life plus some. It's time for Drew to do the same if he's really sincere about wanting to retire as a Saint.

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Today's NFL is becoming more and more like the WWE. Drama. Talk. BS. Like a bunch sissy girls.

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I'm sorry, but you are totally wrong about that. It was the NFLPA that wanted Brees to hold out until a ruling could be made on the franchise tag issue. Brees agreed when asked by the PA to force the Saints to apply the tag by not committing to an early deal. If you remember, Brees was previously tagged by the Chargers. The league argued that a Saints tag was not a second tag and therefore only carried the average of the top five players at the position. The PA insisted that a second tag by ANY team, not only the first to apply one, should be subject to the increased level of compensation. After several weeks it was determined that the PA was correct and Brees signed the new deal almost immediately thereafter.

Brees took that hit for all players in the league. The Saints front office knew exactly what was going on. To imply that Brees is not team oriented is crazy. Brees has said he is more than willing to finalize an extension on several occasions. It is Loomis that is holding things up, not Condon and Brees.

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Of course he is willing to redo his deal. He will get a huge chunk of money the day he does.

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You can believe that Brees isn't team oriented. However, it is dead flat wrong to assert that Brees held out at camp.

At the beginning of the league year in 2012 Drew Brees became a free agent. He was not a Saint from March of 2012 until July when he signed his contract. While he was tagged and tendered as exclusive franchise player, since the tender wasn't signed during that time Brees was not a part of the organization and could not participate in team activities because he was not under contract.

The arbitration case for number of times Brees was tagged wasn't settled until the first week in July. Brees signed one week later. All this happened before training camp started.

So at no time during that period did Brees hold out because of his agent.

C'mon folks. Just for a minute stop thinking like fans and understand this is a career and a business. The next contract Drew Brees signs is likely going to be his last in the NFL. Even at 38 he is one of the top three QBs in the league. The value of such QBs is approaching $25 million a year. If your current job was offering a 10% reduction of salary while some other organization was offering a 25% raise and all your dollars guaranteed, people would consider you a fool to stay "out of loyalty to the team". In fact they would tell you that you should consider that offer an insult because it clearly shows that your current organization doesn't value your contributions. Just because the money is on a different scale doesn't change the reasoning of why people consider offers or why market price is important.

It's not extorsion. It's just a tough situation. Brees is playing at a level where a team that only needs a QB piece may be willing to pony up that type money on a 2-3 year contract to get the brass ring. Think about a team that is close to the same situation as the Houston Texans were this year. The Saints will have to decide if they are one of those teams in that situation. This upcoming 2016 season can tell us a lot about that.

SFIAH

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Just not that simple. First off it's not "redoing a deal". Brees is in the last year of his current contract. He will be a free agent in 2017 if nothing gets done. This proposed extension is essentially a new contract. Since the only team leverage, the franchise tag is off the table due to its $44 million value, Brees' extension is going to have to be near market value. Honestly, no one really knows what that market is because of the rarity of healthy top 3 QBs becoming free agents. The last two times top 3 QBs (Brees 2005, Manning 2011) were free agents both were coming off significant, possibly career ending injuries. And both turned out to be worth it because both led their new franchises to championships.

The only way this gets done quickly is if one side or the other completely rolls over. That would mean Brees goes year to year at $20 million or so, or the team puts up the potential market of 3 years/$75 million/all guaranteed.

Neither side can afford to do that.

Brees has made $160 million in the last 10 years. It's not like he's hurting for cash. Like all players, and all organizations, he's willing to redo the deal at the right price point. I posit that will end up being a total value of $75 million, for 3 years, $50 million guaranteed, and likely another $40 million at signing, just like the last time.

But that isn't easy for either side. Brees could get more guaranteed. The team will still have a significant cap hit. It's going to hurt to get there. So it isn't going to happen quickly.

I feel like I need to ask it again. If the Saints had the opportunity to get Brady, Luck, or Rodgers, what kind of money should they be willing to put up to get them? That's the kind of contract the Saints needs to be structuring for Brees.


SFIAH

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Is it over yet.