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No , not Drew ... Byrd

Would you move him for Joey Bosa ?

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Well we cant afford to pay his guaranteed money off snd there is noway in hell thr Chargers would do yhe deal

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It would have to be a sign and trade, but guys that hold out usually do so because they know they don't have it in 'em to last in the NFL and are trying to get max dollars because they're exposed...

And then there's the obvious, after developing Edebali, Gwachum, and with friendlier contracts, would you just cut one loose for a roster spot on an unproven malcontent?

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Um you are aware that the rookie trade deadline has come and gone, yes?

Bosa will sign and play for San Diego or he will sit out a year a go back into the draft in 2017 losing a year of experience towards freee agency.

BTW does San Diego even need a safety?

SFIAH

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I was hoping by some miracle Bosa would fall to the Saints. I do not understand each side of this hold out, but it is a serious red flag for that guy when a hold out occurs with the system that is in place today.

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Something ive been wondering

If Bosa doesn't sign and goes back into the draft do the Chargers get compensated?

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I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money.

I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.

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Bosa? Interesting. Bosia is holding out because the Bolts front office wants to not only deffer his signing bonus but also make the bounce voidable if traded and the team picking up would assume the responsibility of the bonus. So Bosa is right about holding out. IMO

Peat is the first player to pop into my head. Then revisit the Dallas trade possibility for guard Ron Leary.

You might as well go all out if you chase a trade for Bosa.

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Peat is going no where.

Kelemente, Lelito and the rest of the UDFA's need to step up their game.

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I'm glad you made this topic because me and JP were kicking around trade ideas a little bit in a different thread. The only trade I would like to see us make is Davis Tull to the Bills for one of their guards like Cyril Richardson as JP mentioned or Ryan Groy. The Bills are in bad shape at edge rusher with Shaq Lawson being out and his backup Enemkpali tearing his ACL. Rob Ryan is familiar with Tull and he'd be a way better fit in the Ryan bro's 3-4.

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I go after the Cowboy G with Vaccarro as trade bait. Harper and Harris can hold down the SS position and want be any dropoff.

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NO TRADE. Unless we do something with picks from next years draft for him.

Do keep in mind he is a rookie who hasn't taken a snap in the NFL. As a rookie I would think he would be hungry to get on the field and play out a rookie deal so he can cash in on big money... this is just a major delay.

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Hagin714,

I'd offer a conditional 7th that can become a 4th if Leary misses no games due to injury & extends his deal with us ;).

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Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there.
As for the OP, there are multiple reasons it will never happen. But sure, I'd take him any day.

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Wow, what a mess. Bosa & the Chargers are both losing out but this is really hurting the player. They had enough conviction to scout and draft him @ #3, yet hedging on him to fail :rolleyes:.

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And the Bolts wonder why Archie and Eli decided it was best to go to another team?!?

Before anyone says it, I know FO has changed, but that franchise is still dysfunctional...

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This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what.

The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back.

So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm.

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No, precedence is there. Jameis Winston had the offset language AND $6 million of his bonus deferred to March.

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Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm,

Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post.

SFIAH

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Yup. That's what makes this situation so hairy.

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Byrd has absolutely 0 trade value.

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Maybe it's not money. Maybe he just doesn't want to play with San Diego. Eli did it. He got the trade he was looking for but made it perfectly clear he wasn't playing for San Diego. Elway did the same thing. Or maybe it was Marino. He may say it's money but who knows.

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Being that is Hypothetical: Saints go Undefeated, don't allow a point and average 68 points a game. Brees throws for 10,000 yd 87 TD 0 INT rushes for 2,000 YDS!! Saints crowned World Champions for Life! The NFL shuts down!! Roger becomes Sean Paytons Butler!!

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Give me guard instead.

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Tull & Peat can go in my opinion unless Peat is playing guard

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Rookie money isn't the issue.
It's the bonus, conditions and other add-ons that Bosa doesn't like.
I learned a lot in this thread.
#3 is #3 for a reason. Shouldn't be a bunch of if-ands-and-buts when drafted that high.
SD seems to be nickel and diming Bosa when their protection seems to be
built in with the rookie limits in the CBA.
No guarantee that Bosa makes it to his next bargaining opportunity.
And if he hobbles in or is in recovery, he'll only be worth pennies on the dollar.