Well it's over guys

foreverfan · 08-21-2016, 12:57 PM

TURNOVERS are EVERYTHING.

Get rid of the fools either turning the ball over OR creating the opportunity for the defense to create the turnover.

TWO MAJOR THINGS...

First.. the defense looks improved but who knows how many injuries it will take to hit major suck mode.

Second.. Payton has used only BS offensive plays. He ain't showing anything. The offensive plays are meant to fail. That will no doubt change in Game 1.

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Guy's it PRESEASON!

Rugby Saint II · 08-21-2016, 01:25 PM

The guard play is abysmal. Anyway, back on topic........I think our young corners have a bright future.

The safeties look better than average.

The line backers are as athletic as any group since the Dome Patrol.

Even without our 1st round draft pick our defensive line is getting in the back field on a consistent basis and creating pressure on the QB.

If we can get this unit cohesive in a hurry then we've got something special happening here. I believe we can hold opponents scoring drives down better than we have in a long long time. It's hard to believe but the defense carried the offense last night.

spkb25 · 08-21-2016, 01:41 PM

I have no idea if Peat will bust, but the constant moving all over the place can't help, can it? I do not see anyone else on the line doing this.

And to be clear I am not defending him. I have no stake in the game other than the Saints fielding the best line we can. I just don't understand the idea where he is concerned

burningmetal · 08-21-2016, 01:46 PM

I think a big reason Peat is shuffling around, isn't simply because they need help at different positions, but because they are trying to find some place where he isn't a complete liability. I thought he was incredibly underwhelming before they ever drafted him, and I sat here and watched the obligatory "don't judge him until he plays a down" comments last year.

But the fact is he is proving his doubters right, and until he turns it around, I don't know why anyone wants to make excuses for him. Shuffling around is not the reason for his struggles. His struggles are the reason for the shuffling. If you can play LT, where you are going against the other team's best pass rusher, then there's no excuse to not be able to handle the other side. I think he is a horrible fit for the interior, and I don't know why they would try him there for any reason other than to just throw something against the wall and hope it sticks.

spkb25 · 08-21-2016, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I think a big reason Peat is shuffling around, isn't simply because they need help at different positions, but because they are trying to find some place where he isn't a complete liability. I thought he was incredibly underwhelming before they ever drafted him, and I sat here and watched the obligatory "don't judge him until he plays a down" comments last year.

But the fact is he is proving his doubters right, and until he turns it around, I don't know why anyone wants to make excuses for him. Shuffling around is not the reason for his struggles. His struggles are the reason for the shuffling. If you can play LT, where you are going against the other team's best pass rusher, then there's no excuse to not be able to handle the other side. I think he is a horrible fit for the interior, and I don't know why they would try him there for any reason other than to just throw something against the wall and hope it sticks.

That's possible, as far as trying to find the right spot for him...I just can't imagine it is helpful

dizzle88 · 08-21-2016, 02:59 PM

Being from the UK I'm not too sure, but isn't Stanford supposed to be a school for smart people?

So if Peat came from Stanford, how can he not grasp simple blocking assignments, no matter if he switches between positions in training camp.

Crusader · 08-21-2016, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Being from the UK I'm not too sure, but isn't Stanford supposed to be a school for smart people?

So if Peat came from Stanford, how can he not grasp simple blocking assignments, no matter if he switches between positions in training camp.

I don't think its so much about grasping the scheme or assignments as it is not getting enough time on one spot to get comfortable at that position. On an NFL level you need to be in a position where you feel good and can just do what you are supposed to without thinking about it. Just switching stance is a MAJOR thing.

Danno · 08-21-2016, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I don't think its so much about grasping the scheme or assignments as it is not getting enough time on one spot to get comfortable at that position. On an NFL level you need to be in a position where you feel good and can just do what you are supposed to without thinking about it. Just switching stance is a MAJOR thing.

True, and understanding is a lot different than reacting.

Thousands of former athletes know the plays inside and out. Very few can process in the micro-seconds it takes to succeed in the NFL.

Airline Pilots know what to do in an emergency in mere seconds. Fighter pilots know what to do in micro-seconds.

Thousands of athletes are "physically" capable of playing CB (speed, explosion, hips, length, attitude, etc). Very few can avoid the 1/4 second delay in reaction that it takes to prevent a TD and force a PBU.

Hopefully Peat just needs some more time to sync his brain to his reactions and footwork. So far it looks like that may not happen.

Danno · 08-21-2016, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9 View Post
Guy's it PRESEASON!

Speaking of Pre-...

Wow, just wow.

RailBoss · 08-21-2016, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Speaking of Pre-...

Wow, just wow.

Is Michael C. Hebert Saints photographer in any way related to Bobby?

08-21-2016, 12:57 PM	#1
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08-21-2016, 01:41 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Well it's over guys I have no idea if Peat will bust, but the constant moving all over the place can't help, can it? I do not see anyone else on the line doing this. And to be clear I am not defending him. I have no stake in the game other than the Saints fielding the best line we can. I just don't understand the idea where he is concerned Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-21-2016, 01:46 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Well it's over guys I think a big reason Peat is shuffling around, isn't simply because they need help at different positions, but because they are trying to find some place where he isn't a complete liability. I thought he was incredibly underwhelming before they ever drafted him, and I sat here and watched the obligatory "don't judge him until he plays a down" comments last year. But the fact is he is proving his doubters right, and until he turns it around, I don't know why anyone wants to make excuses for him. Shuffling around is not the reason for his struggles. His struggles are the reason for the shuffling. If you can play LT, where you are going against the other team's best pass rusher, then there's no excuse to not be able to handle the other side. I think he is a horrible fit for the interior, and I don't know why they would try him there for any reason other than to just throw something against the wall and hope it sticks. dam1953, K Major, MarchingOn and 1 others like this.
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08-21-2016, 02:48 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Well it's over guys Originally Posted by burningmetal I think a big reason Peat is shuffling around, isn't simply because they need help at different positions, but because they are trying to find some place where he isn't a complete liability. I thought he was incredibly underwhelming before they ever drafted him, and I sat here and watched the obligatory "don't judge him until he plays a down" comments last year. But the fact is he is proving his doubters right, and until he turns it around, I don't know why anyone wants to make excuses for him. Shuffling around is not the reason for his struggles. His struggles are the reason for the shuffling. If you can play LT, where you are going against the other team's best pass rusher, then there's no excuse to not be able to handle the other side. I think he is a horrible fit for the interior, and I don't know why they would try him there for any reason other than to just throw something against the wall and hope it sticks. That's possible, as far as trying to find the right spot for him...I just can't imagine it is helpful

08-21-2016, 02:59 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: Well it's over guys Being from the UK I'm not too sure, but isn't Stanford supposed to be a school for smart people? So if Peat came from Stanford, how can he not grasp simple blocking assignments, no matter if he switches between positions in training camp.

08-21-2016, 03:46 PM	#7
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,051	Re: Well it's over guys Originally Posted by dizzle88 Being from the UK I'm not too sure, but isn't Stanford supposed to be a school for smart people? So if Peat came from Stanford, how can he not grasp simple blocking assignments, no matter if he switches between positions in training camp. I don't think its so much about grasping the scheme or assignments as it is not getting enough time on one spot to get comfortable at that position. On an NFL level you need to be in a position where you feel good and can just do what you are supposed to without thinking about it. Just switching stance is a MAJOR thing. Danno, spkb25 and mleg1972 like this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Well it's over guys Originally Posted by Crusader I don't think its so much about grasping the scheme or assignments as it is not getting enough time on one spot to get comfortable at that position. On an NFL level you need to be in a position where you feel good and can just do what you are supposed to without thinking about it. Just switching stance is a MAJOR thing. True, and understanding is a lot different than reacting. Thousands of former athletes know the plays inside and out. Very few can process in the micro-seconds it takes to succeed in the NFL. Airline Pilots know what to do in an emergency in mere seconds. Fighter pilots know what to do in micro-seconds. Thousands of athletes are "physically" capable of playing CB (speed, explosion, hips, length, attitude, etc). Very few can avoid the 1/4 second delay in reaction that it takes to prevent a TD and force a PBU. Hopefully Peat just needs some more time to sync his brain to his reactions and footwork. So far it looks like that may not happen. spkb25 likes this.

08-21-2016, 03:44 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Well it's over guys Originally Posted by QBREES9 View Post Guy's it PRESEASON! Speaking of Pre-... Wow, just wow. mleg1972 likes this.

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