NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE

saintshrimp · 08-21-2016, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Good thing no one is asking you

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See how you feel after another losing season if this team gets to 7-9 it will be a miracle Loomis and Payton era has sailed dude time to take the black and gold specs off and see the light of day

44Champs · 08-21-2016, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

See how you feel after another losing season if this team gets to 7-9 it will be a miracle Loomis and Payton era has sailed dude time to take the black and gold specs off and see the light of day

So what's your plan then? Who's your new GM, Head coach, Coaching staff, QB, and players? I dont like the losing seasons either but do you realize how ridiculous "clean house" sounds? We were one decent Defense away from making the playoffs and even being contenders the last 2 years and it's obvious that the organization has addressed that. The offense has been perennial Top 5 since Payton took over. And now you want to clean house. lol

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voodooido · 08-22-2016, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

So what's your plan then? Who's your new GM, Head coach, Coaching staff, QB, and players? I dont like the losing seasons either but do you realize how ridiculous "clean house" sounds? We were one decent Defense away from making the playoffs and even being contenders the last 2 years and it's obvious that the organization has addressed that. The offense has been perennial Top 5 since Payton took over. And now you want to clean house. lol

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Im not worried about the record or offensive rank since SP took over. I worried about the past 2 years and this one creeping up on us. If this is another losing season I agree we need to clean house. And that means Drew as well. Franchise him and trade him for picks to a team that can afford the deal he wants. Losing season in 2016, time to start over. A top 3 QB is not worth having if the rest of your team ranks last.

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2016, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

It's time for a change in the big easy if you ask me a total house cleaning from the top to bottom.

Pardon me, but that is just frickin' stupid. Please tell me you are not serious.

saintshrimp · 08-21-2016, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Pardon me, but that is just frickin' stupid. Please tell me you are not serious.

I'm dead serious it's time for a change dude! This regime has peaked it was great while it lasted but it's over and it's not coming back. Wake up . You guys are in denial. Since the super bowl it has been a steady decline. How many more losing seasons is it gonna take for you to see it .

AsylumGuido · 08-22-2016, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I'm dead serious it's time for a change dude! This regime has peaked it was great while it lasted but it's over and it's not coming back. Wake up . You guys are in denial. Since the super bowl it has been a steady decline. How many more losing seasons is it gonna take for you to see it .

I saw plenty of losing seasons with a FAR worse product than the Saints can field today every year prior to 2006. You don't totally clean house when you still have your historically best in-house. I'm just glad you have no say in it or we would be back to praying for three or four wins a year again.

blackangold · 08-21-2016, 08:27 PM

Too many of you are jumping off the ship...

After re-watching the game, pass protection wasn't that bad. Sure there were a few breakdowns, but the more I see it the more I am lead to believe the line needs time to gel. Houston has always had a stout defense and that starts with the front 7.

Players at the skilled positions made the true mistakes, from drops to fumbles and turnovers. Additionally the INT on Drew was BS, should have been a pass-interference call.

On the first drive alone you had 2 huge drops; both of which would have been first downs, Coleman's which would have had us in scoring position.

HOU and NE are both likely to win their divisions this year. Back away from the ledge.

burningmetal · 08-22-2016, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Too many of you are jumping off the ship...

After re-watching the game, pass protection wasn't that bad. Sure there were a few breakdowns, but the more I see it the more I am lead to believe the line needs time to gel. Houston has always had a stout defense and that starts with the front 7.

Players at the skilled positions made the true mistakes, from drops to fumbles and turnovers. Additionally the INT on Drew was BS, should have been a pass-interference call.

On the first drive alone you had 2 huge drops; both of which would have been first downs, Coleman's which would have had us in scoring position.

HOU and NE are both likely to win their divisions this year. Back away from the ledge.

I, for one, am not on any ledge. But do I think the line sucks? Abso-freaking-lutely.

I watched the replay, too. Protection was just as bad as ever, and so was the run game. And being that it IS pre-season, defenses aren't exactly firing away out there. Plus, there was no JJ Watt.

I'm all for giving guys time to gel, but this is the same group from last year. How long does it take to gel? I think the defense will be improved, and depending on how far the pass rush has come (of which, there is no true barometer until the real season starts) they could even be vastly improved. But on offense, everything hinges on that O-line, and nothing is indicating to me that it is heading in the right direction.

K Major · 08-23-2016, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I, for one, am not on any ledge. But do I think the line sucks? Abso-freaking-lutely.

I watched the replay, too. Protection was just as bad as ever, and so was the run game. And being that it IS pre-season, defenses aren't exactly firing away out there. Plus, there was no JJ Watt.

I'm all for giving guys time to gel, but this is the same group from last year.

I feel the same way Burn.

The concern over the O line is not overblown. The concerns are legit.

halloween 65 · 08-23-2016, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I feel the same way Burn.

The concern over the O line is not overblown. The concerns are legit.

This is one of the reasons I'm not sold on our D. Poor play by the O line just makes them seem better. By game 4 regular season may tell alot about both sides of the ball. With teams watching game film they get a decent view of how to attack D's more easily Thats how most 1 hit wonders happen with the D little or no film. I do think we have alot of talent on the D side it's just how to use them properly.

08-21-2016, 08:32 PM	#1
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by 44Champs Good thing no one is asking you Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk See how you feel after another losing season if this team gets to 7-9 it will be a miracle Loomis and Payton era has sailed dude time to take the black and gold specs off and see the light of day

08-21-2016, 09:15 PM	#2
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by saintshrimp See how you feel after another losing season if this team gets to 7-9 it will be a miracle Loomis and Payton era has sailed dude time to take the black and gold specs off and see the light of day So what's your plan then? Who's your new GM, Head coach, Coaching staff, QB, and players? I dont like the losing seasons either but do you realize how ridiculous "clean house" sounds? We were one decent Defense away from making the playoffs and even being contenders the last 2 years and it's obvious that the organization has addressed that. The offense has been perennial Top 5 since Payton took over. And now you want to clean house. lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk SaintFanInATLHELL, mleg1972 and captainshawn like this.
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08-22-2016, 08:35 PM	#3
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by 44Champs So what's your plan then? Who's your new GM, Head coach, Coaching staff, QB, and players? I dont like the losing seasons either but do you realize how ridiculous "clean house" sounds? We were one decent Defense away from making the playoffs and even being contenders the last 2 years and it's obvious that the organization has addressed that. The offense has been perennial Top 5 since Payton took over. And now you want to clean house. lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Im not worried about the record or offensive rank since SP took over. I worried about the past 2 years and this one creeping up on us. If this is another losing season I agree we need to clean house. And that means Drew as well. Franchise him and trade him for picks to a team that can afford the deal he wants. Losing season in 2016, time to start over. A top 3 QB is not worth having if the rest of your team ranks last. SaintsDoc likes this.
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08-21-2016, 09:32 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by saintshrimp It's time for a change in the big easy if you ask me a total house cleaning from the top to bottom. Pardon me, but that is just frickin' stupid. Please tell me you are not serious. mleg1972, WW_Who_Dat, 44Champs and 1 others like this.

08-21-2016, 10:08 PM	#5
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Pardon me, but that is just frickin' stupid. Please tell me you are not serious. I'm dead serious it's time for a change dude! This regime has peaked it was great while it lasted but it's over and it's not coming back. Wake up . You guys are in denial. Since the super bowl it has been a steady decline. How many more losing seasons is it gonna take for you to see it .

08-22-2016, 12:20 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by saintshrimp I'm dead serious it's time for a change dude! This regime has peaked it was great while it lasted but it's over and it's not coming back. Wake up . You guys are in denial. Since the super bowl it has been a steady decline. How many more losing seasons is it gonna take for you to see it . I saw plenty of losing seasons with a FAR worse product than the Saints can field today every year prior to 2006. You don't totally clean house when you still have your historically best in-house. I'm just glad you have no say in it or we would be back to praying for three or four wins a year again.

08-21-2016, 08:27 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Too many of you are jumping off the ship... After re-watching the game, pass protection wasn't that bad. Sure there were a few breakdowns, but the more I see it the more I am lead to believe the line needs time to gel. Houston has always had a stout defense and that starts with the front 7. Players at the skilled positions made the true mistakes, from drops to fumbles and turnovers. Additionally the INT on Drew was BS, should have been a pass-interference call. On the first drive alone you had 2 huge drops; both of which would have been first downs, Coleman's which would have had us in scoring position. HOU and NE are both likely to win their divisions this year. Back away from the ledge. mleg1972, frydaddy and captainshawn like this.

08-22-2016, 11:06 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by blackangold Too many of you are jumping off the ship... After re-watching the game, pass protection wasn't that bad. Sure there were a few breakdowns, but the more I see it the more I am lead to believe the line needs time to gel. Houston has always had a stout defense and that starts with the front 7. Players at the skilled positions made the true mistakes, from drops to fumbles and turnovers. Additionally the INT on Drew was BS, should have been a pass-interference call. On the first drive alone you had 2 huge drops; both of which would have been first downs, Coleman's which would have had us in scoring position. HOU and NE are both likely to win their divisions this year. Back away from the ledge. I, for one, am not on any ledge. But do I think the line sucks? Abso-freaking-lutely. I watched the replay, too. Protection was just as bad as ever, and so was the run game. And being that it IS pre-season, defenses aren't exactly firing away out there. Plus, there was no JJ Watt. I'm all for giving guys time to gel, but this is the same group from last year. How long does it take to gel? I think the defense will be improved, and depending on how far the pass rush has come (of which, there is no true barometer until the real season starts) they could even be vastly improved. But on offense, everything hinges on that O-line, and nothing is indicating to me that it is heading in the right direction. K Major likes this.
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08-23-2016, 12:45 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by burningmetal I, for one, am not on any ledge. But do I think the line sucks? Abso-freaking-lutely. I watched the replay, too. Protection was just as bad as ever, and so was the run game. And being that it IS pre-season, defenses aren't exactly firing away out there. Plus, there was no JJ Watt. I'm all for giving guys time to gel, but this is the same group from last year. I feel the same way Burn. The concern over the O line is not overblown. The concerns are legit. halloween 65 likes this.

08-23-2016, 01:03 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE Originally Posted by K Major I feel the same way Burn. The concern over the O line is not overblown. The concerns are legit. This is one of the reasons I'm not sold on our D. Poor play by the O line just makes them seem better. By game 4 regular season may tell alot about both sides of the ball. With teams watching game film they get a decent view of how to attack D's more easily Thats how most 1 hit wonders happen with the D little or no film. I do think we have alot of talent on the D side it's just how to use them properly.

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