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Really, getting the 2nd ranked free-agent in Dwight Smith and signing a probowl guard in Maberry. When is the last time that happened during the offseaon?!!

Slow out of the box? Is that just Mike's opinion or does he have some facts to back that up? I see where no facts were given, so, I'm going to assume it was his opinion. The FACTS are the Saints were pursuing Pierce, along with MANY other teams, but the Giants made him an enormous contract proposal and Pierce cancelled all vistis with ALL teams.


This is the same Mayberry that in a previous article written by Mike Detillier in which he said the Saints' would probably never be able to sign. Great insight Mike D.

Finally come to the conclusion? When were they suppose to cut him Mike D? He's only been here 2-years and they are admitting their mistake by signing Dwight Smith.



So, Benson is satisfied with being middle of the pack. Mistakes have been plenty ... There's no arguing that. But, it seems to me Mike really doesn't know what Benson wants. And it seems to me that he's trying to improve this team this offseason.


For someone who HATES to say it, Mike D. says it in every article he's written over the past couple of years.

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Good Ol\' Mike Detillier. I happen to know Mike pretty well. We did work together for Terry O\'Neill when Terry was in N.O. and then after he left, he started a website called RealTeam.com with Mike, myself, Terry, Dick Vermeil and others. Mike and I covered the NFL draft.

I have never really gotten along with him. I think he\'s a total fraud and he doesn\'t have access to the \"juice\" around the NFL. I am not going to get into the garbage he used to rant about a few years ago, but it seems that he has not changed. And to think our media here in New Orleans looks at him as a god is scary.

The bottom line is that our two signings have been good upgrades and addressed positions we needed to address. I still happen to think we\'ll make a play for another relatively high profile FA. I am not a fan of this front office, mainly because I know them fairly well and know what kind of \"football intelligence\" they really have. But facts are facts, they have made two quality additions to this team.

I\'ll have alot of news on different prospects and even where the Saints have players rated at in coming days. I still have some really good buddies who are on the scouting staff.

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Billy, I get the impression this thread is meant to antagonize me. I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to piss me off. Because by starting a new thread like this when there was already one to post on, that\'s just what it is. Don\'t push me. We\'ve been through this before.

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Nah, JoeSam, wasn\'t meant to antagonize you. The title of my thread was the sole purpose. I wanted to expose Mike Detillier for what he is.

Anyway, I\'m gonna take a break from the site for a few months. Things are getting a little too personal for me as of late.

Take care.

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I don\'t disagree with what Mike D says. The Saints were slow out of the gates. They made up some ground, but I think he knows, like everyone else does, that our main need right now is LB, which they STILL have yet to address. I am more optimistic than Mike D is, but for the most part these guys have been the same ol Saints....refusing to address highly publicized needs. Just because he doesn\'t have a rosy outlook like some of the hopeless romantics on here doesn\'t mean that he\'s a fraud or this or that. He\'s entitled to his opinion like everyone else.

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Come on Billy. What are you doing?

This seems like typical tactics of a die-hard Sunshiner. Any guy who has anything negative to say about the Saints you try your best to discredit. Mike D, like him or not, is well respected in the NO area. I would have thought that by now you would at least have learned to listen to what the other side says. If this is starting already, I can\'t imagine the frenzy you\'ll be in by August. I\'m betting we get an 11-5 prediction from you, only b/c you\'re too gun shy to go 12-4 again after last time. C\'mon man - this team has PLENTY of problems...

Like GT, I agree with Mike. The Saints were slow out of the gate... or maybe you\'ve forgotten the insanity on this board the first couple of days already. They haven\'t addressed their biggest area of need. And offering Haslett an extension and allowing Venturi to stay after FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS of mediocrity sure gives me the impression that Benson is happy with being average. Either that, or he\'s too stupid to figure out how to be otherwise... or IMO, too scared.

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Dwight Smith the 2nd ranked free-agent? Really?

So with Shaun Alexander, Samari Rolle, Andre Dyson, Ty Law, Troy Brown, Donavan Darius, Fred Smoot, Edgerin James, Rudi Johnson, Derrick Mason, Antonio Pierce, and Ed Hartwell, etc. etc., Dwight Smith was the 2nd ranked free agent?

C\'mon Gumbo. That\'s a little too much.

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He was the 2nd ranked SAFETY available in free-agency.

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THAT statement I have no problem with, Danno. But once again Gumbo chooses to word things so that it sounds better than it really is.
:soleil: King Sunshiner and political speech writer.

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I like alot of Gumbo\'s posts...even though he , at times, can be a bit much with the overly optomistic views..he\'s the kind of guy I used to be...

Mike D is just doing what works..negativity...I too get caught up in the black hole of grief from time to time..he makes a living out of it..

Either way..i don\'t take anything he ever says too seriously..but..his mock drafts are usually good...

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CanLoomis:This thread isn\'t just Billy\'s wild speculation, at least according to someone who knows Mike D. I can\'t speak to Billy\'s motivations for the thread, but the question about the \"validity\" of Mike\'s assessment is certainly a fair question - though I think there are other (perhaps better) ways to address that question.

Look, simply discrediting Mike isn\'t the way to go. What Billy should have said is this: consider all the facts about the source, other sources, and so on, before you make a judgement on this. That sounds like something everyone can agree on.

Sure, Billy is everyone\'s favorite beat-toy, but how about you guys lay off a bit - for some of you it seems like a bit of a vendetta rather than a discussion.

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On that you can bet your :eck05: .

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I am greatful it was only to antagonize JoeSam , I thought for a minute I was gonna have to edit some picture of Mike D. on Boubon st . with Mr.Winky hanging out .

:banana:

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The Saints may someday make the Superbowl with the present ownership...I mean, the Americans did beat the Russians that time in \'80 I think it was. Miracles do happen, and it can happen here. It happened in Tampa. However, the facts are facts. And the facts are that this team really has very little to show for 38 years of existence, and the reason is because of the market. Owners want to make money, at least most of them, and that is the bottom line of business. NFL football is a business. The writer is correct when it comes to the Saints and their desire to not offer large contracts...or, large enough. That\'s the way it has always been here. That\'s the reason we have never seemed to make it over the hump. It is possible, though, for all the pieces to fall into place for one season...for all the balls to bounce towards Saints, but, as long as profit is a priority, and the market stays as it is, the Saints will always be destined for mediocrity according to the odds.

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LB, I\'m inclined to mostly agree, but here is some food for thought (and I\'m not saying I think it, but it is worth considering):

The teams that have won the SB are also businesses. They have an eye for the bottom line. They have no desire to offer big contracts. The difference isn\'t the goal, the difference between us and them is coaching, players, schemes, and the football Gods.

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I agree totally, JK, like I said, it can happen here. Anything is possible. I think the odds, however, are in favor of the teams that have larger markets with owners who have more money to spend and are willing to spend it. With the salary cap, an owner who makes more money from things like merchandise sales and TV, radio, etc. will end up making more money, even if they reach their cap.

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BTW, JK, you\'re pretty good with the numbers. I would just be curious where Haz falls in salary as compared to the rest of the league. Because, you are right about coaching, and coaches make salaries. I\'m not even sure if their salaries count against the cap. So, if you got some info on this, I\'d be curious to see. I\'d also be curious to see where Ditka, Mora, Bum, Stramm, that guy that looked like James Garner, (obviously I can\'t remember his name, Dick something, I think.) Anyway, I would be curious to see if our coaches ever got top pay. I would think that Bum or Stramm probably were pretty high up there, but I\'m not sure about that.

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O please

Like merchandising and marketabliity are not going to increase with a perenial winner in the Big Easy ????

How many low attendance games do the Saints have every year ???

Gimme a break , there is a team in Phoenix .

[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]

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Gee, I wonder why it hasn\'t happened yet?



Are you calling a city in the middle of a desert a large market?

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If I read this correctly .

Benson refuses to put money into the team because of New Orleans being a small market and he does not think he will get it back ????

Benson had the highest payout 2 years ago in the N.F.L. .

Until Benson came along Mecom , the man who could pinch a penny from 2 sides had the Saints .

Only if you consider lizards and snakes paying customers .

Maybe this will help you .

Always ?????

Someone has a short memory span

[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]

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No, you are not reading it correctly. Benson refuses to operate a business without maximum profit. And by payout if you are referring to gate, that\'s probably true...but a lot more of a team\'s money comes from other sources besides gate.

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As much as this was hashed out, it\'s hard to believe anyone still uses this argument to show the team SPENDS money. This payroll figure has little to do with SPENDING money. It has to do with PAYING salary. The obvious example is Joe Horn\'s salary. Last year he made $600,000. This year he is scheduled to make $4.7 mil. Think that will affect the payroll numbers we show? I wonder how many more contracts the Saints have like that? We sure as hell aren\'t SPENDING money to bring in big name guys(except this year). We are PAYING existing contracts and that\'s the anamoly that was that year.

[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

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By all means , please do elaborate ......

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Think again .... ;)

Forbes magazine estimates that the Redskins, which Snyder bought for $800
million,
are worth more than $1 billion now, thanks largely to Snyder\'s marketing
savvy and squeeze-in-every-seat approach at FedEx Field. Snyder has added
around 12,000 seats, boosting the stadium\'s capacity to 91,665, the
biggest
in the NFL.

Of course, none of that has helped the Redskins on the field. They have
only one winning season since 1999. Indeed, eight of this year\'s 12
playoff
teams were in the bottom half of league revenues in 2003, based on the
Forbes study. The bottom-half teams include the Steelers, who have a 15-1
record and are favored by many to win the Super Bowl.

It bolsters the argument by some that NFL success has more to do with
management than money.

\"There is no correlation between high-revenue teams and winning
percentage,\" McNair said. \" [b:fc5bcb6c9d] And no correlation between salaries paid and
winning percentage.[/b:fc5bcb6c9d] We have a good balance in the NFL and the number of
teams in the highest payroll quartile are located in the lowest quartile
of
revenue teams.\"

http://www.talkaboutprofootball.com/...ges/71390.html






[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]

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Boy, I am thoroughly convinced now!! :D Yep, we sure are set with our superstar QB, a coach that teams are standing in line for, and an all-pro studded line-up. What\'s the matter with me...anybody can see that the money is flowing freelly in the crescent city.

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I am new to the board and am not familar with the history of the \"vandettas\" , but I was under the impression people can have their own opinions and voice them openly and freely.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the early portion of this debate about Detillier seemed to annoy some people. Why? I am not sure, nor do I care. Billy voiced his opinion, a VERY ACCURATE one by the way, and it seemed to bother one of the other board members. If Billy sees Detillier as a fraud, than let him. I see him as a fraud and so does the majority of personnel men in the NFL. Just because you hear his name/voice, and see his books doesn\'t mean he is a reliable source of information.

I like to be able to speak freely and was under the impression that this board would welcome that. This thread is a little dissapointing to know that may not be the case. We\'re all here for a common goal or reason. To talk Saints football and voice opinions, ideas, news, etc. I thought that is what this is for. I hope I am right.

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CanLoomis,please feel free to speak your mind. There\'s more to the situation with Gumbo than you know. I try to be fair to all members. I\'m just not to fond of being slapped in the face.

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You are, by all rights, welcome to have and voice your opinion, openly and freely. But others have an equal right to have and voice their opinions about your opinions as well.
Because one shares your opinion on a particular subject, does not always mean their motives are the same as your own.

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Sadly, the Saints situation remains mediocre; no matter how much we want them to win. These threads are all full of ideas that the average fan wants to see in order to get a winner. I personally, just want to see a 9-7 season this year to get out of the 8-8 rut that we\'ve been in for the last 3 years.

One of the problems with Mike D. is that he is negative, but so was Buddy D., Peter Finney, Brian Allee Walsh, Sheldon Mickles, Kevin Foote, Kenny Wilkerson, and Nick Deriso.
Seems to me that these guys are around the Saints in a lot more personal and close manner than we are. Therefore, their take on the Saints may be closer to the mark than we want to admit.

Let me go on record as saying that I want the Saints to win. I am old enough and have enough experience to look at the situation realistically, and from where I sit, and reading what I read, the Saints have a long way to go. Is that negative? I tend to agree with Xan and Whodi in their assessments of the team. I love to read JKool\'s posts. He is upbeat, and optimistic about the situation, but tends to be realistic and will LISTEN to an argument logically put. Danno is fantastic with his observations as is LaidBack and many, many others.

The bottom line is that we all are frustrated with what the Saints organization is doing or rather not doing. This frustration comes from the fact that the guy on the street has better vision about what the Saints should do than does the front office. That said, to blindly say that the Saints are winners and that they are going to the Superbowl is simply fantasy. There are a ton of things that are not right in the Saints Front Office, Coaching Staff, and Player Personnel. Since the owner has not addressed these problems, we will remain an 8-8 team. It doesn\'t deal with money, market, or name players. It deals with a knowledge of football, a solid plan to get to the goal, and a willingness to REALISTICALLY appraise the talent that the team possesses and what needs are to be met.

I\'m sure that this response will be viewed as highly negative in some quarters. What I see Mike D saying resonates with a high degree of credibility, negative or not, because the team, so far has not produced what they say they can produce. If I were a reporter that would be my theme, seems that it\'s Mike D\'s theme too. :exclam:

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This goes back to a very simple argument that has raged on this board for years. I\'m still confused as to why it is difficult to understand. My thoughts are:

A) Whether or not Mike D is the most connected \"scout\" in the NFL or the least seems mostly irrelevant to me in this case. The comments used to \"expose\" Mike D are as much opinion as information. As to the information Mike D appears to propogate concerning Tebucky and Pierce: is there anyone here that truly believes that he just made that up? I have a hard time believing that a guy who comments on football for a living would risk being shunned and ridiculed to make up wild speculation about the Saints in March. If the guy is putting his rep. on the line, I have to believe that he has at least some credible information suggesting that what he has \"told the world\" is true.

As for Mike\'s opinion, his \"credibility\" as a connected insider seems highly irrelevant. I\'ve used Kyle Turley as an example of this time and again. Turley harshly criticized the Saints front office when he left. Many fans dismissed his comments entirely b/c they said that Turley was a \"head case.\" Maybe, but since when did being insane translate into the inability to be correct? Or another example. Presumably, the Saints professional scouts and coaches have vastly more knowledge about football than I do, right? Does that mean that I was thus wrong and they were thus right in believing that Jonathan Sullivan was a good use of two first round picks? Doesn\'t seem so to me. My point is, if you want to criticize Mike D\'s comments, show why they\'re unfounded.

B) Gator is right. His query was:

\"How often does his negativity shine true for Saints? In other words, how often is this guy way off the mark. Is he way off the mark or does this have to do with the fact he critizes the Saints harshy at times and some people don\'t agree with him. \"

I can attest to being harshly criticized for accurately commenting on the Saints. I\'ve found that, when it comes to this team, seeing the hard truth that the team is mediocre and mismanaged is hard to swallow. In 2003, I suggested that the team would finish 8-8 or 9-7, that the offense would lose a step, and the defense would improve minimally if at all. I am not exagerating when I say that members of this board called me \"the most pessimistic person [they] knew.\" I was dead on. I don\'t see how accurately predicting results can be construed as negative. If the outlook of the team is bad, and you say it\'s bad, you\'re not being negative, you\'re being realistic. As Gator said, whether you like the way Mike D delivers his opinions or not, it\'s hard to argue his points.

The Saints WERE slow out of the gates in FA. They HAVEN\'T addressed the team\'s biggest area of need (LB). The ownership HASN\'T shown commitment to winning over the last 4 or 5 years, hell, maybe even 10. If you disagree, prove it.

c) Finally, some people don\'t understand the context of all this, which I feel is relevant. If you can show me a single time where the author of this thread attempted to discredit a \"media figure\" for POSITIVE comments made about the Saints, I won\'t post on this board for a month. If you only attack a person (not his comments) when he makes comments that may be construed as negative (or in many cases, not as overtly optimistic as the poster), then how can your credibility not also be in question?

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OH PLEASE. I started this thread because Gator challenged my view about Mike Detillier in a previous thread. It had nothing to do with JoeSam

JoeSam chooses to believe it was meant to slap him in the face. That was NOT the case.

And that\'s \'bout all I got to say about that!

Folks can take things any way they choose. I don\'t feel like having to answer what my \"motives\" are. I broke no rules. My motives are my OWN motives. I have done NOTHING to break ANY rules, nor was this thread started to annoy JoeSam.

Mike Detillier is a fraud, plain and simple. How \'bout we stick to the topic at hand rather than question someones motive. It\'s pretty childish if ya ask me.

I\'m out. I have much better things to do than other than respond to all this stuff.

See ya..

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One last thing before I go, WhoDat. I\'m very disappointed in you. The MEDIA \"slants things all the time and put their reputations and careers on the line...

Today is Dan Rathers last day with CBS. You know why? Becasue he SLANTED his view on our current President and got EXPOSED.

If Dan Rather did it, why not Detillier?

Now, I\'m out...

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In other words, let\'s stick to discrediting and challenging someone else\'s motives, not yours? LOL.

Mike D is a Fraud! (OK by Billy).
Billy is a Fraud! (Hey! Let\'s stick to the topic at hand).

Beachware insider WhoDat reports that GumboBC, owner of Billy Brand Beachware, is working hard on a new and improved Flip Flop rumored to be sold under the name Defamation.

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Hey, I\'m a fraud, too. I have NO IDEA what I\'m talking about and I have precious few facts (if any) to support my theses. I\'m not going to far out on a limb and say that we\'re all frauds. I\'d hate to think that I\'ve spent time on this board with a bunch of pussies.

Now that we\'re on the same level, let\'s get back to finding those facts to opine upon so that we evolve up the food chain.

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...and I am now locking this thread before feelings get hurt.

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For the sake of not having this pop up in 10 different places , keep it in here .
Remember there are other people here and we ask you to act accordingly .

Keep it here - keep it clean

Or the one that does not is shoveling coal .... :EVILLE:

[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]

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This thread is a personal attack waiting to happen. Since it\'s been unlocked, how \'bout lets move it to the EE board so the rest of us don\'t have to deal with two or three people attacking one another?

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Since I\'m the one who started this thread, maybe I can be the one to kill it.

My opinion of Mike Detillier is just that. It\'s an opinion. Not everyone has to agree with it. I didn\'t expect everyone to agree with it when I posted it.

I also think Jeff Duncan is nothing more than a mouth-piece for the current Saints\' organization. He always shines them in a positive light and hardly ever criticizes any moves they make.

Hey, it\'s the media for Christs sake. You don\'t think they put their \"spin\" on things? Surly we aren\'t that gullible?

Getting back to Mike D.... What many might not know is that he had a falling-out with the current Saints\' organization. It\'s been a while back but I remember reading about it. Haslett, or someone, laughed at Mike D\'s draft guide and his suggestions of who the Saints should draft. This really pissed Detillier off.

Now, it seems Detillier isn\'t very \"objective\" when it comes to this current regime.

Not that Mike Detillier doesn\'t have some very valid points when it comes to the past mistakes made by Loomis, Haslett and company. He\'s right on the money with many of his assessments. But, it ain\'t exactly rocket science to figure those out.

Mike Detillier is coming under a lot of heat on a site where he is a regular contributor. Even the guys who own that site acknowlege that Mike D. has some sort of axe to grind.

I\'ve read all of Mike Detilliers articles over the past few years. I believe he\'s got a grude to settle. Others will have to make up thier own minds.

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Let me make this as clear as possible

A debate is a debate . Do it in a manner that complys with the rules of conduct or the post becomes Graffitti .

Graffitti is removed .

A debate is a civilized discussion of subject matter , and a poster who does not handle subject matter in a civilized manner is the clear loser of the debate .

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He was probably suggesting they draft a cornerback the last two years.