Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

The Evans signing is a very good one. He has experience with the team and will be even more motivated to get his old spot back. Unger, Strief and Evans can anchor the line we'll be in for a lot of offense. I see the defense being a lot better than 45 touchdowns!

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Oh goodie I was not crazy and a QB is needed still. With QBs in such high demand I will be surprised if he clears. If he does I would be alarmed.

2017? anyone?

the next Blake Bortles or Carson Wentz.??
Mitch Leidner Minnesota - 25th pick in the 1st? McShay? Say what???
Brady Gustafson, Montana

oppsss OG need is alive and well also geshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Between this news and Brees extension, Grayson must really be buns.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

I have a feeling Brees and Loomis will keep doing this same one year extension deal until Brees finally retires. Brees even jokingly said something about one year deals in his press conference. Here hoping that Brees can play at a high level until he is 45 like he said he plans to do.

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Hope Evans can stay healthy and give us one more good year. Kind of scary that we're filling holes with players better teams don't want...but am glad Evans will probably end his career as a Saint. He has been a great one!
The Grayson release is yet another poor talent decision by the Saints. Too many draft picks wasted on players who don't make the team, too much dead money, too many consistently poor free agent decisions have left the Saints woefully short of true "difference makers".

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Like the Lakers did with Kobe.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

I was listening to Bill Polian, you know the Hall of Fame GM, on NFL Radio a couple of weeks ago and he said that if you can get four players that can make a roster for a few years out of seven picks you have done well drafting. Also, as I mentioned earlier, only one in ten QB's drafted ever make it as a backup. There is logic in drafting a QB every year to hopefully get the one that can actually make it every six or seven years.

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It makes sense. Brees also added again that he plans to spend the rest of his playing career as a Saints so that means another contract is a must, at least.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Question...

Does anyone think we're gonna find Brees' replacement by NOT drafting a QB prospect?

Grayson was worth a shot, but since about 1 out of every 50 QB's drafted don't become elite, should we stop drafting QB's?

BTW, I'd guess that 1 out of every 7,000 QB's not drafted become elite.

I'm of the opinion you draft a QB at a minimum of every other year until you get that elite guy, unless you already have a young elite QB to man the spot for the next 5 or 6 years.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

I hated the idea of drafting him where they did. To me, it makes more sense to either go all in and draft one in the first round, if you are trying to prepare for the future, or just keep taking QB's late in the draft every year or two and see if you can find a diamond in the rough.

Taking one in the third is like saying you want a QB, but you don't, but you do. Sure, you could hit a home run, but you could just as easily do so with a 6th round pick. The vast majority of the top QB's are first rounders or high second round. It just isn't a position to screw around with in the middle rounds.

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If the future they were drafting for was a backup it makes perfect sense. The league goes through more backups than starters. Backups are just as important in that it is a required roster spot. If one turns into a starter, fine, but a backup will be needed earlier. The Saints would have loved to save money on the position but McCown was just too much better. I don't believe the Saints had any real expectation that Grayson would ever start when drafting him.

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Thats a good point. After Brees it may be fortuitous to have a 1-15, 2-14 type seasons in order to draft the next Manning, Luck, Rodgers etc...

The problem is that the rest of the team pretty much has to suck to get a top 3 pick, which would imply that you'd need more than 1 year to rebuild into a competitor even with a stud QB of the future.

I wonder just how many teams became instantly competitive with a to 10 QB pick.

My guess is that they were so bad to start with that it took that team several years to become a contender with that top 10 QB pick.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

I don't know if they expected him to ever start or not. But you don't draft that high for a backup. They already had backups.

As I just stated above, you can just as easily "hit" on a QB late as you can in the middle. If you are serious about looking for a starter you draft in the first. Take a look at the QB's in the league right now. Bunch of first or high second round guys are starting, then you have Brady who was a sixth rounder and then it's mostly late round guys either as starter or backup.

There just isn't any real reason to take a chance in the third round. Russell Wilson worked for the Seahawks, but he was a much more productive and proven player than Grayson was coming out. Size was the issue.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

I could easily be swayed to the opinion that the cap is being manipulated as it is so that when Drew retires the front office dump bad contracts in trades/releases so they try to do a major rebuild in one year.

Drew goes,dump contracts you dont want eat dead money and start afresh the year after. Its obviously soeculation but it would make sense. They must have a plan of some sort. If they settle the current line doen with a couple of younger Guards a young QB would be in a good position with a good line and good skill players.

Who knows

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Save up all your picks, trade them (all of them) for the pick that gets you the guy you wan...

Never mind.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

It doesn't have to be a top 3 or even top 10 pick. I said 1st round, early second round range. If you take a look at the top starters in the league, they come from all around that range, except for Brady (6th round) Romo (undrafted) Wilson (3rd round) Cousins (4th round).

That shows that if you want a franchise QB, you have to go early, and if you're hoping to get lucky, you stand as much chance in the late rounds as you do in the middle to find a starter or backup. I'm fine if they take late shots at QB's. And it's ok to maybe take a chance in the middle if you don't have any obvious depth issues at other positions. We've had that problem for some time now.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

And since you brought up Rodgers, what was he? The 24th pick or somewhere around there?

You don't have to tank to get a shot at a good QB.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

True, but he was projected top 5. It was shock that he slipped so far.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Stunning! Another wasted draft pick position?

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

It was a surprise, but people make projections based on what they think a team wants. All it takes is for that one team to pass on him, and other teams have different needs. Suddenly you take a slide.

The Saints have picked in the top 15 a lot. You can hit home runs in that range. But they haven't needed a QB that bad. As he is getting older, if the team should continue to underwhelm, it might be a good idea to get out ahead of things and look to draft a QB in the first.

If they get better, maybe just keep shuffling in late rounders. Taking a guy in the third is just a weird idea to me. It makes it seem like QB is a priority, yet not that much of a priority... If that makes sense. I just look around and see a lot more guys who came from no where to become decent starters or backups, and sometimes hall of famers, than I do of the guys in the middle rounds.

The point being, taking one outside the first round is really sketchy, so why not just take your chances in the later rounds.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

i thought that grayson didnt hurt his chances of staying on. one bad pass that was tipped by our own and returned for a t.d. he didnt throw off his back feet like mccown does half the time , grayson didnt lite the world on fire but held on for 2 years, mccown to me is getting long in the tooth and impressed me once maybe last year.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

You mean we coulda had OG Collins for the third rounder instead?

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Hindsight is always 20/20

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

People were saying he could end up being the best QB from that draft. Crap shoot.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Casualty of playing behind a guy like Brees.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Warner was undrafted.

KC cut Murray (QB, Georgia). Rumor was SP liked him in 2014. Coulda had him over Fortt with the 4th round pick.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Bad picks/Inability to coach up/Bad contracts = No playoffs/Cap hell. How long does this staff get a pass for winning a Super Bowl?

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

I understand what ur saying but we have too many needs on the o-line and defense to gamble with a 3rd round pick. If we wasn't one of the worst defenses in history the pick would've looked a little better.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Didn't they say all of the guards they have coveted whet earlier and any others they had in their sites were graded much lower. I swear I remember that question being asked following the draft.

Re: Saints release QB Garrett Grayson, third-round pick in 2015.
 

Not that there truly was a cap hell, but they are no where near one now. They have tons of cap space moving forward.