I believe another move is on the way with our cap relief
 

I think Drews deal freed up about $13 million this year. Possibly sign a Aqib Talib or an offensive lineman? I have a hunch.

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Not sure about Talib. 2 or 3 years back maybe but he can't cover quick receivers these days. Could easily turn into another Browner

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Yeah, I'm thinking he did it so's to pick up a little more protection.

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L. Vazquez, Schwartz still out there..

Ellerbe upto his old tricks again too..https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...475999232?s=09

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I kept waiting for this to happen all off-season so that we could bring in some help on the O-line. I'm not sure what we can get now. They'd have to find a trading partner, and that almost never happens.

The names floating around out there don't figure to cost much. For good reason. Of course, that doesn't mean it wouldn't still be an upgrade...

I just don't think this deal is going to change anything for this year, and few of us really thought he wouldn't re-sign at some point. So to me this is rather anti climactic.

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or both! yiiiiiiiipppppppppeeeeeeee

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God this dude is made of glass. UNREAL!

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Good thing Robertson is great depth!

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Has Denver had enough of Talib's antics?

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Realistically, who are they really going to be able to get at the 11th hour, last-minute, down-to-the-wire like this? The time for fixing last year's problems and making splashy blockbuster trades like this, was months ago. Most teams are game-planning and suiting up for their opponents on Sunday, that's three days away, they're not really looking to tinker with trading away starters on their roster. Face it, other teams are not likely going to just ship off an All Pro guard or defensive pass-rushing MVP, on the eve of the big opening game. Most of what's available will be injury prone, bargain basement, spare-parts players at best.

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Aint that the truth. I personally dont think you could trade for anyone either without overpaying and we dont have enough draft choice left that we can afford to give away for guy thay will need at least 2-3 weeks to learn the playbook and fit in with the team to make a huge difference.

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Diamond in the rough? Im just being black and gold optimistic.

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Big gamble rolling the dice this late. If it works out we make the playoffs; barely. If not it would have not worked out anyway so what else is there to do. At least we are trying.

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I'm happy as hell he resigned I just wish the gave him more money this year and less next because what is the point of having cap room this year now?

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I think the Front Office needs to explain this to the Fans!!

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All unused 2016 cap can be carried over to 2017. Having cap space in 2016 allows for additional moves now and later during the season.

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Explain what?

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If they can take the cap over its a great idea. Who knows what happens before deadline day. Maybe somebody starts the season bad and gets rid of a upcoming FA for a 2017 pick we would now have the cap space to jump in.

Always best to have options

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Please don't over pay for whatever move you may make Mickey.

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We need this for next year because with just 23 million we are at the borderline of only being able to sign one two big FAs and the rest going to draft picks and small pieces.

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:confused:

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Don't even try to understand :shock:

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He is saying as it stands we have 20ml in free cap next year after the Brees and Unger deals

We dont have many more players that need to get signed other than Willie Snead and possibly Fairley. Evans,Hightower,Harper will be out of contract.

Byrd can free up $3.7ml with $8ml dead or $3.4 dead and $8ml on a post June 1st

Spiller $2.5 dead and $2.35 savings or $1.25 dead and $3.6ml post June 1st



Moresteads contract needs looking at as nearly 5ml for a punter is crazy.


There is plenty of ways of creating space

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Yeah we got that; What is confusing is WillSaints81 saying we'd only be able to sign two FA's, draft picks and small pieces...

We've done that with 3 million in space before... :rofl: :bng:

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So you want to continue to stretch the cap like the last two offseasons and hope one signing like Browner and Byrd pans out that season?

Just imagine having 30 million in cap and making a splash knowing if we do such a thing we'd be nearly impossible to overlook, we would set a example in the offseason and nobody could game plan for it. We could sign a top player at quite a few positions.

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I know you can't read this, but the Brees deal is essentially a year to year contract extension that will be renegotiated freeing up additional cap as needed. Also, next year's final cap figure is not known, but they have been coming in each of the past few years above even the generous estimates. Loomis also builds roster bonuses into most contracts so you can expect a few will be converted to signing bonuses and prorated opening up even more cap space for 2017. And don't forget the $13 million in 2016 cap carry over that can occur. I can easily see in excess of $40 million in room available if needed.

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Here is what another poster said on another forum

This dead money issue has been building for years. I would be interested to see which team in the league has done the most restructures of deals over the last 5 years but I would bet NO is in the top-2 or 3 teams in the league for that issue. I think they thought with Brees in his prime that they needed to do as much as possible to build around him knowing a day of reckoning would eventually come. Well that day has come this year and even some next year as that $20 million next year really isn't all that great either. Draft class can cost anywhere from $6-7 million. Need another $3-5 million for just the season in general. Then RFA's usually take up another $2-7 million depending how many you have and want to keep. They also don't have anybody but Kenny Vacaro that they can cut, get a nice chunk of cap space, and not have a big dead money hit. So that would mean if they want to sign anybody they would have to restructure another deal once again. The best thing the Saints can do is pretty much this year stick with what they got now that they did the Brees deal and then just know next year that other than maybe 1-2 smaller deals in FA they are just going to have to depend on draft picks to carry them for a bit until Brees' cap hits and dead money get off the books.

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My gawd, this guy is a total idiot. There is only about $4.5 million in dead money left on the cap after the 2016 season. Will someone point out to this guy that he doesn't know what the **** he is talking about and the people he is quoting from this "other site" are equally ignorant.

:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:

Edit: for those that don't know, this idiot puts people on his ignore list that point out his idiocy.

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Total dead money 2017 for the Saints:

Player, position, dead money, percent of 2016 cap

Keenan Lewis CB - $3,600,000 2.32
Brandon Browner CB - $1,300,000 0.84
Garrett Grayson QB - $366,584 0.24
Davis Tull DE - $110,866 0.07
Kaleb Eulls G - $3,334 0.00
Dominque Tovell OLB - $3,000 0.00
Bobby Richardson DE - $1,668 0.00
Jack Tabb TE - $1,000 0.00

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AssylumGuido! How dare you use FACTS to dispell:
"Well I think.......,Another site says........and the all time favorite, "Oh yeah?"

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So we have 10 million. Exactly my point.

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We'll probably sign a vet or two after week 1.

But if not, it'll be nice to carry over 10 million into 2017. That would give us a ton of space to add several stud free-agents for another run at it before Drew hangs it up.

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Sign or trade for a proven Vet with a 1 year deal.
kick that 10 mill down the road.

Been saying this for years. repeat after me 2017...2017...2017
Signed
QB Drew Brees
C Max Unger

2017 remaining FA
G Tim Lelito
NT John Jenkins
DT Nick Fairley
LB Michael Mauti
S Jamarca Sanford
RB Travaris Cadet
RB Tim Hightower
CB Kyle Wilson
CB Tony Carter
LS Justin Drescher
K Kai Forbath
K Josh Scobee
LB Kasim Edebali*
CB Brian Dixon*
FB Austin Johnson*
WR Willie Snead**
WR Brandon Coleman**
CB Brandon Dixon**
WR Reggie Bell**
WR Shane Wynn**
WR R.J. Harris**
WR Kyle Prater**
TE RaShaun Allen**
G Cyril Lemon**
OT Bryan Witzmann**
LS Chris Highland**

Additional cap relief can be had with overpaid veteran salary flipping to the postive to make them cap cut bait
Jairus Byrd 3.7 million
Thomas Morstead 3.1 million
Zach Strief 2.9 million
C.J. Spiller 2.5 million

Thats 12.2 million also as possible cap space

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Will someone point out to this mentally challenged individual that Spotrac.com is showing the 2017 cap number as the 2016 cap number because the 2017 number will not be finalized until next Spring. If it continues increasing at the recent pace(some think it will increase faster) the base cap shows increase by $8M to $9M. Then add in the $10M of 2016 carry over and the initial free cap space for 2017 will be over $29 million. Now we move on to the 2017 roster bonuses which total approximately $15M. Loomis structures all roster bonuses to be able to be converted to signing bonuses at the discretion of the club. Conversion of the roster bonuses would up to $10M more to the open cap space bring the total to $39 million.

This does not take into consideration what is likely to become an annual occurrence, the next Brees extension. Brees' projected cap hit for 2017 is $19M. A similar extension deal to this last one could add an additional $6M to available cap, bringing the total to $55 million. Also consider that there are a number of players that can undergo restructures, with Cameron Jordan being a prime customer with his $12M cap hit. Let's say they restructure him and a couple of others with minor adjustments to a sum of $3M increased cap space. That brings the grand total of free 2017 cap to $58,000,000!

Now how in the hell does this joker get $10M?

:dunce:

Please quote this so that Willy boy can see the error of his ways.

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I would still rather pay him more now and less next year but maybe something else is in the works especially with Spiller being a healthy scratch. I was just curious but once again I'm extremely happy for the extension.