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jnormand 09-16-2016 12:26 PM

Some optimism (for a change)
 
I admit it. After the devastating last minute loss to the Raiders last week I wasn't looking forward to this week against the Giants. I thought...0-2...man that's a rough way to start the season so many of us had higher hopes for.

In fact, I was contemplating whether or not I should even be optimistic about the upcoming game at all. There's questions all over the defense. Reports were that the defensive line had no "push" for the majority of the game. The Saints allowed the Raiders to come back in the 4th quarter and thwart an unbelievable (if not heroic) day by Drew Brees and the offense.

After a few days of reading the understandably negative (and deserved) posts here at B&G.com, I decided to start to look at some other sites and do some studying of my own on the Giants and how the current Saints defense and offense will do against them.

Here's what I found:

Defense -

1. First off I've been reading that the Saints pass rush (or lack thereof) in the Raiders game was game planned. The defense used a 3 man defensive line for a lot of the game to keep eyes on Carr because of the fact that he is capable of running out of the pocket. Seems there were a lot of defensive plays that were meant to "contain" Carr and keep him in the pocket. So there was few plays that lineman really pinned their ears back to get after him.

I believe that we are going to see a different look this week against Manning, who is a pocket passer and isn't known to hurt defenses with his legs. I think the pass rush will be better this week and we'll see more blitzes and stunts to get after him and disrupt his ability to throw.

2. Because the defense will have some young and inexperienced cornerbacks playing against some talented WR's this week, I think there's going to be a lot of safety help over the top. Odell Beckham is going to get his, but I think they're going to try to limit his big plays by using double coverage and safety help.

3. The Saints defense played decent for 3 quarters last week. Then dropped it completely. There's going to be some growing pains, but lets not say the Giants offense is terrifying. Their two starting offensive tackles are fair to average at best, as is the rest of their offensive line. I think the Saints have enough talent on the defensive line to get through and hit Manning (and we all know how bad the Manning's are when they get hit a lot). Look for Cam Jordon and Paul Kruger to have some fun this week.

4. The Giants played a Cowboys defense that was without 3 starting players and only managed 1 TD and 4 FG's. The Saints offense, as seen last week, is much more frightening. Guess who the Giants best LB is? Jonathan Casillas. That right. The former Saint. That's why I believe TE Fleener is going to have a big game. He's big and can run routes. Jason Witten caught 9 passes last week against the G-Men. Fleener stands to see some action this week, lets just hope he hangs on to the ball.

Offense -

1. I don't even need to go into much detail here. The Saints offense is capable of great things. There's weapons everywhere. Do you really think a defense that allowed a Cowboys team led by a rookie quarterback to score 19 points with 227 passing yards and 60% completion percentage is capable of stopping Drew Brees and this offense? The Raider's defense is much better than the Giants. And the only reason they're (Raiders) ranked lower is because the Saints sliced through them like a hot knife through warm butter. The Giants will be the 32nd ranked defense after this week.

2. Guess how many sacks the Giants have so far. 0. That's right. The same as the Saints. If the offensive line can play like they did against the Raiders, which I believe they will, the Saints are going to win this.

3. I think there's going to be more of a balanced attack this week. Mostly due to weather. Drew's not going put 400 yards up in the air this week, although 250 to 300 yards isn't incomprehensible. There will be an increased amount of touches for the RB's as well as swing passes out of the backfield to RB's and short passes to TE's. This will test the Giant's linebackers early and often. And once the safety comes down to help, Drew's gonna start the play action passes and the bombing will start.

So that's it. I just wanted to shine a little light on the forum here. Maybe get people to have a little optimism and/or faith this week by giving my analogy of the game.

Saints 31 Giants 24

That's my prediction. Believe it or not. Like it or think its crazy. See you all in the forums.

K Major 09-16-2016 12:29 PM

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Saints vs. Giants: 5 impact players that need to deliver - Canal Street Chronicles

K Major 09-16-2016 12:29 PM

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Grading the Saints Offensive Line against the Raiders - Canal Street Chronicles

RaginCajun83 09-16-2016 12:30 PM

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Saints have Drew Brees Giants don't

dizzle88 09-16-2016 12:56 PM

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But that's what I don't understand Jnormand, if the plan was to contain Carr and keep him in the pocket how will that be effective?

Even an average QB would carve a defense up with 5 seconds in the pocket like we gave Carr, and Derek is a pretty good QB.

You don't stop a QB by giving him time to throw, you rattle him by getting in his head, we let Carr get way too comfortable.

jnormand 09-16-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 719651)
But that's what I don't understand Jnormand, if the plan was to contain Carr and keep him in the pocket how will that be effective?

Even an average QB would carve a defense up with 5 seconds in the pocket like we gave Carr, and Derek is a pretty good QB.

You don't stop a QB by giving him time to throw, you rattle him by getting in his head, we let Carr get way too comfortable.

Agreed. But I think they really thought it was working for the first few quarters so they just stuck with it. They dropped more into coverage. Let's see what happens this week.

saintshrimp 09-16-2016 01:36 PM

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OPTIMISM!!! OPTIMISM!!! YOUR TALKIN OPTIMISM!!! WE COULDN'T DO DIDDLEY POO !!! WE COULDN'T STOP THE RUN!! WE COULDN'T STOP THE PASS!!! WE SUCKED WE SUCKED!!! OPTIMISM HA!

jnormand 09-16-2016 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 719653)
OPTIMISM!!! OPTIMISM!!! YOUR TALKIN OPTIMISM!!! WE COULDN'T DO DIDDLEY POO !!! WE COULDN'T STOP THE RUN!! WE COULDN'T STOP THE PASS!!! WE SUCKED WE SUCKED!!! OPTIMISM HA!

You're such a dick. Lol.

saintshrimp 09-16-2016 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 719655)
You're such a dick. Lol.

LMAO sorry I couldn't resist

burningmetal 09-16-2016 03:51 PM

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The Saints have owned the Giants for quite some time. I expect at the very least that the offense will put up a ton of points in this one. Hopefully the defense does a little better than they did last year against these guys. I think we'll win.

WillMacKenzie 09-16-2016 04:32 PM

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Refs are going to throw a flag every time the saints even LOOK at Odell Beckham. It's like D-Wade or Lebron going to the rim. Whistle first, find the foul after.

Danno 09-16-2016 06:01 PM

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To stay on a 10-11 win pace, after 4 games we should be 3-1 considering our opponents.

To start off 0-2 is gonna be devastating. Not saying it's a must win game, but its damn close to one.

2-2 after 4 is survivable, but its gonna take a bunch of A-games down the stretch. We don't have the defense yet to put together a big win streak.

Its probably gonna be win two, lose one for the majority of the year now that 3 of our top 4 CB's are still in diapers.

RailBoss 09-16-2016 11:36 PM

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It will be a aerial shoot-out between Drew and Eli whoever blinks
goes down in flames.

The Dude 09-17-2016 12:35 AM

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Love your optimism and agree to all except the pressure part. You don't leave a bunch of rookie players who have never played in an NFL game to fend for themselves.
Right on about everything else. I didn't know Cassilas was even in the league anymore. How long ago did we let him go?

We have Brees and will continue to have a blazing offense. It took them a couple of drives to jel last week but once they did it was on. They can get even better!

lee909 09-17-2016 12:45 AM

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Well Cassilas was good enough to pick up a second ring with the pats and get a $10ml deal with the Giants

RockyMountainSaint 09-17-2016 12:52 AM

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SUNSHINE!

dizzle88 09-17-2016 01:10 AM

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Ahh I remember Casillas, Preseason superstar and regular season dunce.

hagan714 09-17-2016 03:16 AM

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We will the football Nannies for our secondary. We will sit back and watch these kids grow up and learn to play with one another. AND PRAY

SaintGup 09-17-2016 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 719653)
OPTIMISM!!! OPTIMISM!!! YOUR TALKIN OPTIMISM!!! WE COULDN'T DO DIDDLEY POO !!! WE COULDN'T STOP THE RUN!! WE COULDN'T STOP THE PASS!!! WE SUCKED WE SUCKED!!! OPTIMISM HA!

Playoffs!? PLAYOFFS!!!? I'm surprised if we're able to win a game!

jnormand 09-17-2016 08:26 AM

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Hey! I changed my avatar! Maybe my old one that I've had the last few years was bad luck. Anything helps fellas...anything. Lol.

Rugby Saint II 09-17-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 719728)
Hey! I changed my avatar! Maybe my old one that I've had the last few years was bad luck. Anything helps fellas...anything. Lol.

Alright then.........I'm ordering a new Saints flag. I haven't replaced mine in several years and it's beginning to look faded. Whatever it takes to get the mojo right. I still haven't settled on my game day attire yet because we keep losing this year and I'm still looking for the right gear to bring us luck.

The Dude 09-17-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 719704)
Well Cassilas was good enough to pick up a second ring with the pats and get a $10ml deal with the Giants

Did we cut him outright? I had totally forgotten about him. What year did we cut him?

jnormand 09-17-2016 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 719741)
Did we cut him outright? I had totally forgotten about him. What year did we cut him?

He left after the 2012 season. Not sure if he was cut. But he went to the Bucs, then the Pat's, then NY.

Danno 09-17-2016 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 719741)
Did we cut him outright? I had totally forgotten about him. What year did we cut him?

Constantly injured, a bit of a WLB/SS tweener. Fast as hell though.

He was a late bloomer, but probably no better than what we have now.

FinSaint 09-17-2016 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 719754)
Constantly injured, a bit of a WLB/SS tweener. Fast as hell though.

He was a late bloomer, but probably no better than what we have now.

He was nothing special with the Saints and IIRC his snap count was very limited with the Pats.

Utah_Saint 09-17-2016 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 719754)
Constantly injured, a bit of a WLB/SS tweener. Fast as hell though.

He was a late bloomer, but probably no better than what we have now.

If I remember correctly, he never mastered the art of gap control. He gave up some big runs.

RockyMountainSaint 09-17-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 719797)
If I remember correctly, he never mastered the art of gap control. He gave up some big runs.

Bingo!
He was very talented but, he was so out of position a lot of the time.

WillSaints81 09-17-2016 10:52 PM

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I don't think they will have a more balanced attack. It just won't happen here if it couldn't against a team that was easier to run on.

jnormand 09-17-2016 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 719812)
I don't think they will have a more balanced attack. It just won't happen here if it couldn't against a team that was easier to run on.

Thanks for the downer. Are you gonna watch the game tomorrow? Or stand in the corner kicking your teddy bear? You must be a blast at parties. Lol.

WillMacKenzie 09-18-2016 09:04 AM

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RailBoss 09-18-2016 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 719728)
Hey! I changed my avatar! Maybe my old one that I've had the last few years was bad luck. Anything helps fellas...anything. Lol.

So did I Jnormand but I'm afraid not much help today.

darstep 09-19-2016 12:25 AM

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Defense looks like they did their job.
Now I'm optimistic.

WillSaints81 09-19-2016 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 719813)
Thanks for the downer. Are you gonna watch the game tomorrow? Or stand in the corner kicking your teddy bear? You must be a blast at parties. Lol.


We will not run more than pass. And when we do it's against the wrong teams. Like today.

dizzle88 09-19-2016 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 720329)
Defense looks like they did their job.
Now I'm optimistic.

And next week the defense will lay down whilst the offense puts up 35 points, life as a saints fan, we cannot play as a team.


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