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As it was said by Collinsworth last year, when it's your year it's your year. The offense looks good one game, defense the next. Thing is, we are 0-2 because of bad luck. Bad luck follows teams around to help other teams. So far bad luck has bitten Minnesota who's 2-0 start is going to diminish at some point. They simply do not have what it takes to be able to contend with AP missing time. This injury was to continue the rotation trend in the north of who gets to contend with GB each season, which it is Chicago's turn. Bad luck has bitten us and it's to help Carolina. Bad luck bites teams in the AFC East every year. Bad luck is biting the colts to help Watt and Clowney. And already bad luck bites Dallas to help whoever's turn it is to win the east. If we are not simply meant to win, we won't.

We did make some questionable offensive calls but this game was close to winnable despite that. Those questionable calls were having Coleman cut into Thomas and Snead's volume knowing he himself needs volume. But that's the way the cookie crumbles. Payton is not going to win another kind of way, this is the type of offense we relied on in the past. It sucks, but if we tried to play a certain way then we could have injuries happen to more important players on offense.

We just simply have to be patient and if things don't go the way we want, hope that the competition loses.

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0-2 for 3 straight seasons isn't bad luck in my opinion, it's all on Sean Payton

The injuries we have suffered are definitely bad luck, 6 CB's injured and we are only in week 2 of the season.

However, Payton does not get this team ready and we lose because of it.

Look at the blocked field goal, fundamentals went out the window and that one play could have been the difference between winning and losing. The fact is great teams make those plays and we do not, we have not made those plays ever since 2013 when we squandered a lead against the Patriots.

Payton is ruining this team, if it's true about Stephone Anthony, I don't blame him for being upset about the Laurinitus signing, Anthony is ten times the player Laurinitus is.

It's just one thing after another every season, if it isnt injuries, then its the D, when the defense starts playing well, the offense becomes completely inept and throws the ball 44 times in a 3 point game.

Why are we trusting Fleener, Cadet and Coleman with the game on the line, none of them deserve a roster spot, our roster is weak and that's why we are 0-2.

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Also the Falcons beat the Raiders, so the Falcons made the plays they needed and we haven't.

The falcons scored 35 points on the Raiders so our offensive output last week looks to be nothing special against the Raiders D.

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Minnesota has a consistently good defense so when bad s**t happens they can still hang in there and get it done. That is why they are 2-0.

Winning teams always have a hunger and an attitude about them. They turn lemons into lemonade.

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For all you stat worshipers (per PFF):

Manning dropped back 44 times.

1) 36 - no pressure
2) 8 - pressure

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Bad luck can lose you A game
But after that bad luck only affects bad teams

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As it stands right now, the Saints just aren't a very deep team overall. Yes, the starters can hang in there, but once people need to be rotated or replaced due to injury, the Saints roster isn't deep enough to overcome. Some of it is coaching, most of it bad personnel decisions. Simply cannot build a deep team when draft picks flame out and free agents don't pan out.

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Patriots are getting it done despite no Brady and lots of injuries to include secondary. I don't know, we are still in these games. Even if we were 2-0 though still would not look that great.

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This has NOTING to do with Bad luck it has to do with setting a winning culture in the preseason.

I know a lot of fools like to think Pre-season means nothing but that is where you build your team and the culture of winning. We also can't go into season thinking we just need role players and not worry about the Oline and Dline. The teams that are getting better are the teams that have been working on building the lines. Even Manning wasn't the reason the Bronco's won the SB.

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think about all the players we missed on defensively, could've had Anthony & Eric Kendrick but drafted Kikaha Marcus Peters, Alec Ogletree Jonathan Cassias excuse my typos Jamie Collins Matt Judon The Honeybadger even Josh Norman we could've drafted we have bad draft choices on the defensive side of the ball

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Reality is we all are seeing Payton's loyalty to ****ty coaches finally bite us in the arse

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While this is true the saints used to win with this style and have good luck. However, as of now, the saints do not have the power to end the run Carolina is on. Carolina is a big deal now. They have reawakened the Carolinas in the sense these fans did not care until 2013. There is no escaping this kind of phenomenon. We are not going to stop it unless we start going and grabbing wins to the point Carolina pales. But our way of playing and the playcalling styles and the players being relied on that does not make sense, it's not holding a candle to the panther buzzsaw.

With that said I'm not blaming Coleman, you took a number one receiver from his college team and turned him into three target per game guy and using him at all the wrong times. What do you think is going to happen? Snead and Thomas were not number ones in college. Stills wasn't, and they play well with the roles they are given. You don't rely on a number four receiver to win the game for you. Do you want another example of a letdown? Devante Parker.

This is a playmakers league now and playmakers simply win. Until the panther phenomenon fades down, saints old style will have to sit and wait. However, it would wait anyway because injuries happen to help others.

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That was also their home opener against GB and first game was against a team who has been sucking at home since VY. That 2-0 is about to fade fast. If they don't win in Carolina they lose the next two. They cannot keep it up without AP.

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Our defense is really so much better. We only allowed 70 yard rushing and last week would've held the Raiders to 92 without the 75 yard run. Its our pass defense and I place that solely on injuries. We need some experience in the secondary now

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I hate to do this but regarding last week. Carolina allowed SF to score 27 points within the same frame we allowed Oakland but what happened. Carolina kept going. They didn't stop at 34 points. They scored 12 more points. Basically 39 offensive points. We tend to believe we don't have to keep going and hope the defense wins for us. Defense isn't supposed to win for you late in the fourth, running out the clock is supposed to win for you.

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So.....
This is obviously the glass half-full thread.
Gotcha.
Not arguing.
I would just like to point out that a turnaround has to start somewhere and at some time.
It appears to me that we are heading in the right direction.
The past is the past and 31 other franchises would love to have the consistency of New England.
I understand some of the frustration, but flogging yourself seems to odd to me.
If SP and ML suck and are unable to change?
Why make yourself miserable?
Come back when they are gone.

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We are not a playoff caliber team it's that simple.... We have a mediocre team....

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I have decided the team should just stop and listen to me.

You want my CV
Well here are my skills as GM of the Browns
Took over a year ago,worst team in the team. Traded my way through the season and dealt players away for younger talent. On the eve of season two and the Browns roster looks as follows


QB Grayson(Rookie)
RB E .Elliot/C.Michael
WR 1 J.Jones/P.Dorsett
WR 2 C.Coleman/B.Miller
WR 3 K.White
TE H.Henry

LT L.Joeckel
LG L.Tunsil
OC W.Richburg
RG J.Bitonio
RT S.Volmer

LE S.Richardson
DT L.Williams/D.Shelton
DT G.Atkins/D.Easley
RE D.Buckner
LOLB M.Kendrycks
MLB R.Shazier
ROLB M.Jack

SS D.Buchanan
FS T.Mathieu
CB K.Johnson
CB J.Hadden




Now that is a championship roster if ever i have seen one.
Next step Loomis out,Lee in
Easy this GM lark




















I may not be serious,or am I?

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We held the giants to 16 points is Brees supposed to win games scoring just one TD?

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All hail the Pretend GM!
:cheering:

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Dont worry ill teach you of you want.

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We at the Saints Headquarters would like to interview you for a GM position.
Please bring your PS4 and saved games.
If your 2 or so years of experience can be verified Loomis will offer you a
1.8 billion with 1.7 billion guaranteed before he leaves.

OF course you will probably let go after 1 year to save 100 million of our illusionary CAP figures so that we can guarante that to another mediocure TE or FS.
Thank you
Tom Benson:confused:

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Team looks good, but how much dead cap money have you generated?

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

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Unfortunately im a Xbox man and unless you change that st the facilities ill have to turn down the offer.

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Not much

Around 25ml in space left at the moment. Once we are three years down the line some changes will be needed due to new contracts. A lot of year 2/3 rookie deals there. But by then Joeckal,Hayden will be gone snd ill trade Atkins and Julio away

Its all about forward planning.

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Dammit!!! I've been thinking but not saying that Loomis needs to count beans only. Take some of the power away from Payton and let someone else determine the direction of the team. Payton started from the bottom and built a Championship team. Unfortunately, the NFC South built their teams to beat the Saints. Carolina has had the most success.

The league has caught up to Payton.jmho It may be time for a fresh perspective. I don't think that Ireland is the answer to all of our problems but he is good for his role. We need someone to locate and fix the problems....even if it's coaching.(Vitt & McMahon) It's time to reevaluate the Saints from the top down.

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The coaches are here to stay as long as Payton is here, Ireland has done a decent job drafting talent but those players are either hurt or getting ruined by the idiots making the final decisions

Find one position for Peat and keep him there
Put Anthony on the field

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I am sticking to my guns here...

This team is past the point of no return. It was time to rebuild this team this past off season. I don't know why they failed to see that. Instead they figure they keep thier guys and play the hand that is delt them.

They could have used the same game plan they had when Loomis brought in Sean and they started getting palyers. Build the lines FIRST!!! Get rookies (contract friendly). They have traded away the wrong players. We should even have a new QB under center this year start clearing cap space...

Instead I think they are buying time knowing as soon as Loomis or SP have been tossed on the streets they will land with another job the very next day. Rebuilding will begin there. I think its just stupid not to force their hand and make the rebuild if they truely want to remain with the Saints.

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Your guns are empty.

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but I am 2-0 in fantasy and the Saints are 0-2.

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Fantasy is just that.