Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams?
 

What do you think? I'm just wishing they'd have remembered to get on the bus before it left for the Dome.

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Two thirds of the defense is out. What did you expect?

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I've lost track. Who all isn't playing?

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It's a valid point but it gives Sean Payton an excuse for a loss, like he needs one.

Week 1 - offense great, D sucks
Week 2 - D is great, offense sucks
Week 3 - Offense is okay, D and special teams sucks

For the past 3 years, I've never seen us play as a team, if one side excels, the other fails, it starts with Payton.

Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams?
 

In a few very bad moments, tonight reminded me most of last season's debacle. 4th and 1 at midfield and none of our defenders is watching the open side of the field. The walk-in touchdown. Byrd flailing to the ground in the open field.

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Can Bama give the Saints a hand? :broccoli:

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Excuses excuses excuses when will you and that other guy admit this is a God awful team

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That was all Spags defense; no blitzing hoping the front 4 could get pressure.

There at the end is when Allen started bringing a little pressure

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Our defense is hurt. I can't fuss about coaching when they are playing a bunch of scabs. I gotta give him a pass this year.

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Tom Benson? Is that you?

Two straight 7-9 seasons, I know lets extend him 5 years, it's not like we haven't been close to a superbowl in 6 years or anything....lol

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Let me clairfy, I'm giving the D across the board a pass. We are starting our #5 and #6 cb's. We lost our starting DE and DT. I can not blame Allen for the play of backups in every position.

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Started early, before game 2 of preseason. By end of the first regular season game we lost both starting corners, starting LB Kihaha, starting Tight End Manu, Jenkins out, Keenan Lewis may never recover from his injury so we cut him, Swann gone, Delvin Breaux GONE.... Byrd did come back to play.

That's a lot of starters and rotating backups GONE for the season or forever.

http://blackandgold.com/saints/79243-growing-list.html

Not making excuses, just reality.

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Banged up defense gets a pass, albeit a very marginal pass none the less. Thought some of the replacement bartender types made some plays....As much as I like Harper, think it may be time to hang it up, he looked old, slow and whiffed several times, not to mention out of place. If we still stink after we get healthier, believe then we may have to look at doing something.

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Oh for hells sake. Stop with the Payton bashing. He's a good coach and even if we were to fire him, who the hell is gonna get our offensive production? No one.

I love this place. But good hell I'm about to abort after almost a decade and a half. It's just a downer.

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Don't abort... choose life!!!! :broccoli:

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What is latter day Williams?

You mean the best defenses this team has seen in decades?

Greg Williams was the best thing that happen to the Saints, since he left we have been an average franchise at best. The success from 2009-2011 was in large part due to GW not Payton.

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latter-day saints?

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Injuries make it harder, we all get it. But those are still supposed to be professionals out there. So to answer your question, the expectation is that you put up SOME kind of resistance.

They managed to keep the Giants out of the endzone last week. They bent a ton, but didn't break, and we all applauded them for it. Then they come home for a prime time game against a team they have owned, and they do absolutely nothing to stop that team.

The D-line can't make any excuses. They are missing a player (Rankins) who no one even knows yet how good he is. There was supposed to be an improved pass rush, and it just hasn't happened.

No question the injuries hurt bad. But you can't be non competitive.

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Durning Gregg Williams tenure as Defensive Coordinator the Saints Defense in yards was ranked:

2009 - 25th
2010 - 4th
2011 - 24th

During that same time the Offense was ranked:

2009 - 1st
2010 - 6th
2011 - 1st

2009 the Saints won the Super Bowl
2010 the Saints were knocked out of the playoffs by Seattle 41-36
2011 the Saints were knocked out of the playoffs by San Fran 32-36

Gregg Williams was loud and unconventional but it was the offense that carried those teams. In 2010 and 2011 it was the defense that failed and got the Saints knocked out of the playoffs.

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D & ST did indeed SUCK. However, to say the O was only ok is laughable

474 total yards
377 passing
115 rushing
32 1st downs
32:34 TOP
and 32 points

The stupid muffed punt/keystone cops play and the pick 6 are what doomed us. Without those two play's, we win.

We lost the first two games by a combined 4 points.
I have not lost hope and believe this can be turned around.

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Crawley, undrafted from Colorado, may be a professional. He is not a professional #1 Corner. He's played well, but you get my point.

Not only are these guys being asked to do more than their skills allow, they've had no time to play together to figure out how and where the next guy sucks and needs help.

I'm proud of them for showing up and trying. Seriously.

:bng:

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Williams wasn't loyal to the Saints. Payton would intentionally feed him misinformation at draft time. Payton had a strict rule no cell phones in the draft room but Williams flagrantly disregarded him and would feed info to the media. Payton had no respect for the man.

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TWO PLAYS COST THE GAME. Special Teams fumble on 11 yard line. Pick Six. Remove those two plays we win. PERIOD.

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lol
Source?
Williams was what made this team great. Take away the 09-11 seasons without Williams.

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Man, if we could only choose to take away plays every season we might be a decent team...

0-3

Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams?
 

When we don't suffer an inordinate amount of excessive injuries to our starters that other teams don't suffer, and still suck?

Why are posters here too dumb to understand that? My 12 year old understands that.

Are you and the other guys really that dumb?