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WhoDat!656 10-17-2016 06:48 PM

Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
IMO Payton should have gone for it, either a QB sneak or give it to Ingram or Kuhn.

If they stuff it, good for them. I believe the kittens would have imploded if the Saints went up 28-0.

SmashMouth 10-17-2016 07:16 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
The old SP would have...

neugey 10-17-2016 07:39 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
I think we should gone for the two-point conversion to try to go up 9 in the 4th quarter vs Carolina. Why not try to get up by two scores late in the game? If you fail then oh well you are still up by 7. Saints aren't the only ones; I've seen other teams miss this opportunity in pro/college.

RockyMountainSaint 10-17-2016 11:38 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
I think they should have gone for it.
I said it then.
I say it now.
We won though.
SUNSHINE!!!!!!!

RockyMountainSaint 10-17-2016 11:41 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
I also hated the Josh Hill, End Around.
If you asked me if I would love a Fleener, Jet Sweep?
I would've Slapped My Mama!
Hope it never happens again though.

hagan714 10-18-2016 07:55 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
given the OL he did the right thing IMO

WhoDat!656 10-18-2016 08:45 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 723917)
given the OL he did the right thing IMO

Even with our patchwork O-line I believe Kuhn would have gotten one yard; he is tailor made for that situation.

Euphoria 10-18-2016 08:53 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 723891)
I also hated the Josh Hill, End Around.
If you asked me if I would love a Fleener, Jet Sweep?
I would've Slapped My Mama!
Hope it never happens again though.

I agree with you as soon as I saw it developing I was like WTH!?!?!

But it worked and that is why SP is SP. So credit to him as long as it worked.

Euphoria 10-18-2016 08:54 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
I think they should have gone for it. We were a 1-3 team and we should play like it. Take all the chances we can to right the ship. Show faith in the Offense and say look the season is on you what are you going to do.

ScottF 10-18-2016 09:31 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Yes. Defense was playing well (at that point)

foreverfan 10-18-2016 09:53 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
We won so it why does it matter?

Rugby Saint II 10-18-2016 11:16 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Drive the nail in the coffin and go for it on fourth down. That is the Sean that won the Super bowl.

MatthewT 10-18-2016 11:56 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
It's a tough call. The Saints have a defense that plays with heart, but not one that is deep enough to sustain leads. So a long story short is no lead is safe really applies, so must keep drives alive and score TD's at every opportunity.

jeanpierre 10-18-2016 12:36 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 723933)
Drive the nail in the coffin and go for it on fourth down. That is the Sean that won the Super bowl.

Agreed. KMajor emphasized the same point during the GameDay Discussion Thread with the Mortal Combat "Finish Him" clip...

We had our foot on their throat and we let up...

It is not enough to defeat my enemy, but I must destroy his very will to challenge me again...

This was the opportunity that was missed when Payton elected to send the rookie kicker in on a 1:3 FG attempt...

Going for it would have been my first choice; second would have been to pin 'em back deep, even getting the chance of recovering a muffed punt reception...

Budsdrinker 10-18-2016 12:40 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 723923)
I agree with you as soon as I saw it developing I was like WTH!?!?!

But it worked and that is why SP is SP. So credit to him as long as it worked.

Don't guess either one of you watched it that close because it was Fleener not Hill on the end a round.:bng:

SaintsBro 10-18-2016 12:53 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Mike Tomlin would have gone for it!

saintshrimp 10-18-2016 01:03 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
What bugged me was the not taking a shot before halftime on the penalty on fg with 10 secs left .what you got to lose. Something else that bugged me was the thought of going for 2 on the last td when the kick puts you up by 8.why would even consider going for 2 there blew my mind

QBREES9 10-18-2016 01:09 PM

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We Won!!!!

saintshrimp 10-18-2016 01:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 723948)
We Won!!!!

As well they should have against a 1-4 team with 2 weeks to prepare for and a qb who hadnt practiced all week coming off a concussion. i wouldnt be as thrilled as you seem to be but your right they won

saintfan 10-18-2016 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 723929)
We won so it why does it matter?

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...Difference.jpg

burningmetal 10-18-2016 03:40 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
I absolutely thought they should have gone for it. That was the turning point in making what could have been a blowout into a nail biter.

They had two chances to get one yard. Ingram made what looked like a pretty weak effort on 3rd and 1. Looked like there was some daylight there that he could have hit quickly, but instead he was slow and ran into the pile, in vintage Ingram fashion. But it was still less than a yard away. I would have gone for it with a quick hand off to Kuhn, who has excelled in those situations.

I was certain Lutz would not make the field goal, and kept saying "please don't try to kick this and leave Carolina with great field position". But that's exactly what happened. I would rather have punted than to try that field goal. Carolina drives a whopping 33 yards and gets 3 points because of the field position, and momentum started shifting more and more the other way and turned it into a shootout that never should have been.

ScottF 10-18-2016 07:28 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
The other consideration is that we try the BS draw the offsides play and burn a time out.
If you have that TO left at the end of the half you can run at least one more play and not necessarily settle for the field goal with 13 seconds left

jeanpierre 10-18-2016 09:30 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 723987)
The other consideration is that we try the BS draw the offsides play and burn a time out.
If you have that TO left at the end of the half you can run at least one more play and not necessarily settle for the field goal with 13 seconds left

I believe we did that...

burningmetal 10-18-2016 11:10 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
They did indeed do that. And it was irritating.

xan 10-19-2016 12:23 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
What's the argument? A counterfactual? Yes. Good way to expose the limits of our critical thinking. What if Kuhn had taken a safety by running 65 yards in the opposite direction? Would we still have won the game by a point? Would Mothers stop putting debris on Poboys? Would the river turn red? Would Atlanta fall into the sea? Would pigs become our masters?

Wow. This thread is awesome.

WhoDat!656 10-19-2016 01:19 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
My opinion is that, for this season any way, as long as the offense is on the field, the defense isn't; I am a lot more calm when that occurs!

jeanpierre 10-19-2016 02:58 AM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...Difference.jpg
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 723961)
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You went there? really?

ScottF 10-19-2016 12:27 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 723993)
I believe we did that...

yeah, I meant "tried" not "try"

kind of embarrassing for an English/LA teacher

not as embarrassing as trying to draw a Keuchly-led defense off when everyone in the building knew what was coming, but close

SapperSaint 10-19-2016 12:34 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
to quote a despicable excuse of a piece of white trash...... "What difference does it make now?"

clintonrebel 10-19-2016 07:10 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
I want the Sean back that did onsides kicks and did cross fit and ran marathons. He seems to be in a funk, potbelly and no spirit. Need a spark from somewhere.

RockyMountainSaint 10-19-2016 07:58 PM

Re: Should the Saints have gone for it on 4th & 1 up 21-0?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 723961)

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