Did Fairly cost us the game?
 

Did not watch the game... But I understand there was controversy with him toward the end of the game?

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So Nick just lost his Mom probably grieving like crazy and made a dumb mistake, we had a host of others.
Now tell me which Coach is gonna yell at him in the locker room.

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His stupid personal foul cost the Saints an opportunity to try to work down a long field in a short time with no time outs to try to comeback from several other stupid mistakes.

Pick six that bounced off the receivers hands, fumble in the red zone after a long drive, 10 penalties for 75 yards... kinda tough to put it all on Fairly's bonehead play.

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His loss of compose at that late point in the game puts it into a bubble.
It did hurt in that bubble.
Many mistakes were made with much more time on the game clock.
His is one of many mistakes that contributed to the loss.
A dumb play always looks much worse in the latter portion of any game.
Also, I will go on the record as not blaming Ingram's fumble on him.
That was a one in a million shot that the KC dude had at a play and he made it.
There are many turning points in every game.
His was one that is put under a microscope because of the timing of it.
I won a bet with my 20 yo son that Drew would have a pick6 on Sunday.
You can argue whether it was all on Drew, but it does seem to happen to him more than other QBs.
Cest la vie.
We lost the game.
SUNSHINE!!!
Edit: Also, who knows if Ware said something about his mother that set Fairley off.

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plenty of would of, could of, to go all around.

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This ^^^^. That's almost the equivalent of giving the opponent 7 points.

Pick 6, fumble by Mark, numerous false starts and a bad personal foul by Fairley. It happened at a critical time but certainly wasn't the reason why we lost yesterday.

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That KC Crowd did their job well, a lot of those penalties they can take credit for.

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And no continuity on the O Line.
We are snake-bitten there nearly as bad as in the secondary.

Joe Cheek?
Come on down!!!!!!

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Where do you see that Brees has more interceptions than most other Qbs? He doesn't, and when you have a pass first team that has to play from behind all the time and racks up 400 plus yards games regularly interceptions are going to happen. It may seem like it happens more to Brees but Brees throws way more than most other QBs in the league. It's math.

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Fairley's frustration foul was just pennies on the dollar.
Many things prior to that caused late game infractions to seem more costly.
Ingram's fumble if in the 1st quarter becomes recoverable.
The game wasn't over after the pick 6. It was early enough to overcome.
At some point, guys have to start making plays and cover for one another.
We need to get a pick or cause a fumble or get off the field on 3rd and 17.
We lack play makers and are making too many mental errors.
Clean up some things.
Getting beat is one thing; losing is another.

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I was pointing specifically to pick6s.
Also, Drew's ints on the road.
I don't know if pick6s are a stat that is tracked.
I do know what my eyes have shown me.
Drew has thrown an inordinate number of pick6s compared to other "elite" QBs over the years.
Drew has a history of pressing when the team falls behind and sometimes makes the situation worse.
He is also not nearly as efficient on the road.
These reasons are why he has never won an MVP Award.
I love Drew and I am so happy he has been our QB.
But!
I 100% believe that I am correct in what I am saying about him.

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Don't know if they track knock-downs at the line of scrimmage either, but that has to be high also.
For me, it goes back to the O-line, again.
Drew is a pocket passer and lately has been getting pressure up front.
Very few of his picks are down field throws.
Our defense's tackling technique is terrible.
When our offense has to turn defender after a pick, it's really awful.

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Drew has thrown a lot of pick 6's but that's because he throws the ball a lot.

There's a chart on this page that shows QBs pick 6's over their career as of 2013.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

Drew's % of pick 6's per pass thrown, is about average at .28%.

Both Archie Manning, .29% and Bobby Hebert, .35% have higher pick 6's per pass thrown than Drew.

This data is 2 1/2 years old so the numbers will be a little off but the percentages are probably still pretty close.

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He is an incredible QB and I'm glad we've still got him but you are correct, he is a different player on the road.

He tends to press more and throw risky passes, another thing I've noticed he does on the road is lose sight of the play clock. I'm not talking one or two times, you see him panic when he realises its at 2 seconds and he's still changing the play.

The pick sixes could be a number of reasons, could be that all of our backs and receivers are down field so no one is back to make the tackle. Just like that Deion Jones pick 6 Brees threw.

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Interesting to see that Brees and Peyton Manning has the same average.

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penalty was stupid. But include interception and fumble. Fairley's uneccesary roughness wouldn't have mattered without the other two. the turnovers were the most costly. Fairley one of the best things we have going on the team.

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The pick 6 wasn't a bad pass, it was a great defensive play combined with an unfortunate bounce off of Sneads facemask so you can't fault Brees or buy into this on the road struggles.

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there was so many miscues that just balled up and bit us u could feel it happening like many other games, but there i hd a feeling that we were changing the momentum during all the bad penalties and fumbles and pics, the game was still there for our takings, it showed me that we can play with anybody in this league, we have to be smarter, and make a play when its given to u. example-- it was webb that had a easy pic on a ball that was over thrown by smith webb i believe was playing deep and he just stood there catching the ball on one hop instead of playing the ball when he dam well knew where it was going to , one step up and we change the game possibly.

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You know what cost us the game?

An unsavory mix of Turnovers, Penalties and MisTackles...

That's what cost us the game...

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As poorly as this team has played for an entire 60 minutes, we have had chances to win in just about all of our games thus far. We let Oakland and NY get away. Very winnable games.

With more discipline, we could be sitting at 4-2 right now.

I see Seattle coming in the dome and leaving with an L.

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Yeah, that Ingram fumble was the true mark of a freeway running back.

Sarcasm off

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How's that?

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No, but Snead's track record on the road we can blame.

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What could be useful is next time the saints get down 21-7, maybe someone can point out we have been down 21-7 before and still had a chance, and not to force anything and let the game come to you. How Brees can panic after getting down early and then settle in later needs to be example to be shown to him. It's dangerous to think Brees is perfect and does not need to know things. That's how teams lose often. You never stop learning.

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No. Actually he's helped keep us in most games. Lighten up.

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calling timeout at the line of scrimmage.
and of course, at the end, if we have that timeout,
its a different situation.
2 timeouts, and we win the Raiders game.
stop wasting timeouts.