Saints waive DE Chris McCain
 

Hope there is a corresponding move to replace him.

Defensive end Chris McCain's second time with the New Orleans Saints lasted a little longer than the first time.*

But, the Saints chose to go a different direction Tuesday and waived McCain, according a source familiar with the transaction.

Saints waive DE Chris McCain | NOLA.com

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So we waived a promising QB prospect in Callahan for this guy and waive him less than a week later?

Completely ridiculous...

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You are playing with a hard roster limit. Name a player or another scenario that would have been within the rules and better.

Challenge here, it may take research and thought.

:D

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Irregardless, we did waste a priority selection on the waiver wire...

Again, p*ss-poor personnel management...

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It is easy to question within a vacuum when you do not know, nor understand, the variables. Once again, a challenge to see who is smarter than Loomis and Payton on this move. Don't forget, it must fall within all NFL transaction rules which might mean actually reading some of them for a change.

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And exactly what would you have done every step of the way that would have worked out different AND BETTER.

Well?

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Bullshinski. There's a consistent history of bad decisions...

The dead bodies are mounting and the stench is getting worse...

Even local media "insiders" including Jim Henderson are saying it's time Payton let go of some the personnel responsibilities...

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So, you can't come up with any other scenario, right? You can sit back a ***** about moves that are made, but cannot give any reason why you would have done anything differently under the same circumstances. This is your perfect chance to show the world how much better you are at playing GM. Take the entire situation and explain, step by step, adhering to the rules, why your way is better.

Well?

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Wouldn't have extended Galette prematurely...

Wouldn't have signed Jairus Byrd...

Definitely wouldn't have signed Brandon Browner...

Would have signed, or at least bid, on LG Clint Boling...

Would have signed, or at least bid, LB Danny Trevathan before overpaying for Fleener...

Would stop using two draft picks to move up and select one player (Payton even admitted that Ireland stayed their hand last year's draft)...

Would have hired a 3-4 defensive coordinator for all the 3-4 defensive personnel we've drafted the past three+ years...

But that's fine, Allen is a 4-3 guy, they've staked their meal ticket on it, then I'd signed Trevathan or got a true 4-3 opposite Cam Jordan in that case...

Unless you've been in a vacuum, these items have been discussed ad nauseam...

Put that in your pie hole...

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We're gonna need a Go Fund Me Account to purchase one of these and send it to the Mickster so Guido will have a proxy...

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Guido...

How about you defend the following moves:

Junior Galette

Jairus Byrd

Brandon Browner

Coby Fleener

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Definitely should have went after Trevathan...didn't understand not doing so

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Fantastic post JP! Completely agree.

This team has no direction, Payton bringing in Allen just to help his buddy out, drafting 3-4 personell and changing back to a 4-3, drafting an MLB and moving him to SLB and then benching him, the list goes on.

We need to go into each draft with about 8 picks, having 5 picks a year because we can't stop trading picks is no way to go, look at where it's gotten us.

The one major decision which I question, is giving SP a 5 year extension after two straight 7-9 seasons and expecting a miraculous change, wouldn't you know it, we are 2-4 yet again.

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Maybe there's a reason Caliber players don't want to play here we always get the left overs or overpay on the hype

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So. Your you either have no answer to what you would have personally done different in the Callahan case or are too lazy to do the research of the actual rules involved.

I challenged you first. If you can clearly state your case positively I will address the others.

Afraid or unable?

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Give me the why you wouldn't. What would have made you do differently under the exact same circumstances.

Well? Let's hear, huh?

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It is SOO easy to ***** about things about which you have little to no insight. That is the life of the Pretend GM, I suppose.

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Now that was just plain dumb. We have gotten several great players here.

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im rolling, that's great!!!! too perfect

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It does amaze me how ignorant the so called experts are on this site

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True.

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S-t-a-t-e-d w-h-a-t I-'-d d-o-n-e d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-t-l-y

Maybe this will help...

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Had answered your question "challenge" as to what I would and wouldn't have done, now it is your turn...

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We don't have to that's what they are paid to do. WE are all just fans, that's what we do. ***** when something, or when we don't do anything when "we" as fans think we should. None of us get paid to sit behind a desk and look at film, or what scenario might play out. Fans don't have a full time job to do anything of the sort.
We can just cheer, or *****. Then get on sites like this and throw mud at other fans, because we can't come up with a scenario. Why should we, that's not my job.
I come here to be entertained by dumb ass comments, along with even the smarter ones. Not because I want to pretend that I am a GM. That's not my job nor is it yours.

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Either way all I know is we are second to last now in waiver claims right behind the Browns.

this was a total screw up.

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Yep. It starts and the top and rolls down hill from there.

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I read the posts. You never stated what you would have done differently with Callahan. All you did was ignore my challenge to tell me exactly what you would have done differently in the case concerning Callahan and posted a list of moves that did not produce as much as one would have wanted and said that YOU wouldn't have done them. That is easy to say now.

Hindsight is 20/20. It is easy for anyone to point out, in a vacuum, that something did not work out optimally.

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And why is this such a huge deal? At this time of year nothing of material value hits the wire. But, Callahan WAS a value and that is why the Saints claimed him. What would have been a better value later? How was it a total screw up? But, because of unforeseen injuries the Saints were forced to free another roster spot. There was no other option available but to waive Callahan and hope he cleared so he could then be moved to the practice squad.

It was a good move to claim Callahan in the first place. But, as I have pointed out, not all things go according to plan. The Saints are not alone in that fact. Don't forget that Green Bay had to waive him in the first place because they were dealing with the same sort of roster issues that are plaguing the Saints and many other teams in the NFL.

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Read what I just posted, K. Where exactly was the supposed screw up? There was none. You are listening to a load of crap and taking it as gospel. What step along that way was a screw up?

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This is what we do here!!!
LOL.

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Not sure what move you are talking about concerning Galette? There were several events connected to Galette. I certainly wouldn't have signed him to an extension knowing what we all know about him now. I'm sure the Saints front office agrees. Too bad we can't see into the future. Or is it the move of cutting him? While it wasn't all they could have done, it was the best PR move. It resulted in a huge cap hit, but without time travel it was unavoidable.

Seeing the production we have seen out of Byrd I wish that move was never made. It had the potential of being another Darren Sharper sort of impact but didn't pan out. Once again, too bad we can't see into the future.

Ditto with Browner.

As for Fleener, I have absolutely no issue with his acquisition. The jury is still out on that one, but I see the potential for sure.

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Go back to your meds...

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As soon as I get your answer on the Callahan transactions. How would you have done it any differently besides your canned response of "I wouldn't have done it."

Obviously, they saw it as a great waiver opportunity, as did the Browns. We both know having a valid commodity hit the waiver, especially at this late date, is very rare. How would you have handled the situation any differently given the rules pertaining to waiver acquisitions, practice squad eligibility and active roster limitations?

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Guido you know I appreciate your analytical approach and your financial explanations of the way the NFL works.

However, we fans aren't paid to do Mickey Loomis' job. Nor are we paid to research available players in the draft or free agency......although we apparently do a better job than the professional talent evaluators and our GM Mickey Loomis.

Look. I've been supportive of Loomis since the day he arrived and have defended his decisions(he did help us win a Super bowl) but the dead money and piss poor talent evaluation has just about hung him and this team.

It's probably Paytons fault for trying to run the show when he's a terrible defensive evaluator. He thinks because he is so good with offense that he understands defense. He Doesn't! Someone needs to be hired to be the real GM and let Mickey count numbers which he does well. Put Sean Payton in a corner and leave him there throughout the entire draft where he can't botch the available picks.

Oh yes, Loomis deserves blame for letting Sean Payton run rough shod over him since he got here. It's a good thing they are drinking buddies. Oh wait, we've got a problem with that. Maybe that needs to be addressed too.:clown::clown:

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The section that I have "bolded" is where I have the issue. Some here state that as fact. What I have stressed repeatedly is that this is a statement that has no support whatsoever. You (not you personally) can easily say that when something does not work out to the Saints advantage that it is obviously due to the ineptitude of so-and-so and "you" know more and would not have made that mistake. That is where I have always called bullcrap and the only thing I have called bullcrap on. "You" are not in a position to have anywhere near the information available to make the decisions as do so-and-so. Who is to say "you" wouldn't have made exactly the same decision, or even an entirely different decision that worked out equally bad or worse?

This addresses the tendency to look at things in a vacuum. If "you" would take a step back and look around the league, bad outcomes happen to every franchise on similar type of decisions. Do the so-and-so occasionally make a bad judgement call not affected by unexpected occurrences (injuries, trouble with the law, etc)? Sure, they aren't perfect. But with virtually every decision that is made, good, bad or ones that turn out bad due to other factors, those decisions are made with what at the time appears to be the best move to make with what is known at the time.

I can say that I would have had much tighter security at airports back in the summer of 2001 and that the people in charge were stupid. I can say that I would have never let the Big Bopper board that plane back on that February day back in 1959. Whether I beleive that or not personally it is bullcrap.

This is all that I have tried to get across from day one. Have there been bad outcomes on some decisions by so-and-so with the (insert NFL team name)? Hell, yes. Can you prove as factual that "you", knowing all that so-and-so knew at the time would have acted differently? Hell, no and if "you" say any different "you" will prove that you definitely are full of crap.

Once again, Rugby Saint, you are not "you".

:D

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McCain would never had been promoted to the active squad after having used the priority claim on Callahan...

The team has preached players being multi-functional, then I'd installed a rotation of all the active defensive linemen (i.e. Onyemata would play some end as well as tackle) and had it game-planned that way instead of bringing in another body who wasn't going to see the field anyways...

Captain Obvious has left the building...