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IDK, but SR hasn't been on the field at all through 7 games and we have not played the Patriots this season, so I know which rookie hasn't done it.

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Saints rookie Sheldon Rankins snags interception off Tom Brady in first joint practice | NOLA.com

You mean this?

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WillMack,

I think Spkb25 has made his point. Have you seen that Saints defense first half? And yes, Rankins and Breaux are both playing today.

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Held their opponents to 23 points at their home with the opponents pulling everything they had in their bag of tricks.

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I'm just saying, a projected starter goes down, you plug in Onyemata and Jenkins, it's not the same line. And all the hoopla about the offensive line is legit in the preseason but Rankins's play is not?

Just my two cents

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D front line struggled, not much pressure, missed assignments etc. Those 4 or so turnovers were outstanding but allowing long gains is not a winning formula long term. Hopefully Rankins is shaking off the rust but this defense has a lot of work to do. At the end of the day, we won.

On to Denver...

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This defensive effort is not going to get it done against the Broncos...

Team worked hard to get to .500, but if the defense and especially the kicking game play like they did against the Broncs - it's gonna be a long day...

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Bag of tricks? You mean throwing a swing pass for an untouched 60 something yard touchdown? Or a sideline pass to a TIGHT END for another 60 something yard touchdown? Or another 20 something passes thrown over the middle of the field with no defender in sight?

From the worst offense in the league?

Yeah, you're right. They were at home. Those roaring crickets in the stands definitely made all the difference. Our defense was awful today. Please don't waste anyone's time by trying to pull yet more excuses out of the garbage can.

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I didn't expect Rankins, or Breaux or anyone else who haven't played for months to come riding in on a Unicorn and win the world for the Saints today.
They must get back into game shape.
I believe that we will be much more stout on D in the coming weeks with their return.
I just don't get the all or nothing mentality.
They weren't perfect so f-em!
They were ok so they are all-world.
There is a middle ground.
That all goes out of the window when hyperbole is used to MAKE MY POINT!
The Saints won today.
It wasn't perfect and it wasn't an atrocity.
It was a w.

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They didn't have to be all world, or unicorns. They just needed to be average against a terrible offense. Yet it was the worst performance of the year from that group, aside from getting the turnovers. You can't depend on turnovers. This team goes weeks without forcing turnovers, sometimes. You can't overlook just how bad it was that receivers were running completely unchecked, virtually the entire game. Or if you want, I guess you can. That's up to you.

Yes we won, and that's great. Everyone has given credit to the offense, and even to the D for at least managing to cause those turnovers. It's not an all or nothing mentality to say the defense played like garbage for most of the game.

Someone please show me where in the definition of being a fan that it says you have to act like a groupie and worship the team, heaping praise just for the sake of making people believe you are the biggest and greatest fan. And I'm not even saying that others can't be unrealistically positive. Just lay off on the holier than thou approach while you're doing it, please.

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4-1 in the last five games.
And for the record, I was pointing out the hyperbole used by BOTH sides of the coin in trying to make arguements that cannot be controlled by us fans.
This team is what it is.
We are all Saints fans and we all won today.
And so far as your holier than thou comment?
I'm just tired of reading threads nominally about Saints football that devolve into personal attacks on one another by the same members.
Over and over and over and over.........

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Pardon me, but I had a difficult time deciphering that you were pointing out both sides. It read very much like an underhanded insult toward fans for just being realistic. Not even negative, just realistic. And THAT is what I get tired of seeing every thread turn into. I'm sick of personal attacks as well. And I don't consider your post to have been an attack. Those posts comes from other certain members.

But there are those who like to take a passive aggressive approach to criticizing people like me, which was how I interpreted your post. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to tell me I am. I just know that for every post I make that isn't viewed as positive, there is always a follow up telling me and others that we're never happy, or something along those lines. I am happy for the win. When I was a kid I didn't really analyze anything. Over the years I've found it difficult not to, when I've seen certain things play out over and over again.

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playoffs baby. this changes everything. ok band wagon away

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Didn't see anything special from him yesterday, negative or positive. I'd say that's pretty good for a first game in the middle of the season.

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joint practice, really?

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i could be way off, but it seemed like the gameplan was just terrible. whatever da's idea was did not translate to the game, at all. it was a really terrible exhibition, I am glad we won. BTW- the offense is frigan humming.

I am hoping that they guys just coming back get the timing etc downa nd it proves to be different going forward

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For whatever reason we still have half the defense playing zone and the other half playing man coverage. Somewhere there is a communication problem and for the life of me I can't figure out why.

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I'll have to re watch the game down in the trenches but someone posted their evaluation of Rankins (different site) :

-Pushed the pocket
-We rushed 4 a lot so there weren't many 1 on 1's for him to exploit
-was upset with himself he didn't grab the fumble
-Flashed a spin move/bull rush/hump move(kind of a straight arm)
-Think he got blanked out on the stat sheet
-Could see him giving the olinemen fits
-Kelly likes his QB to get the ball out quickly, wasn't a good game to see him flash
-Came out of the game healthy
- C+
-Played more than 10 snaps
-Didn't see the QB hit but that's good news

He's going to be a problem. He's got good footwork and the agility of an edge rusher in tight quarters but he got chipped or helped by another olineman rather often this game. One of his spin moves got him by the initial olineman only to see him get chipped by a second blocker. Few times his hump move allowed him to re-establish the LOS but the ball would come out quickly and negate his progress. As Lelito said...he can dent a pocket.


Will be easier to see him flash against pocket passers/ teams that utilize 5 and 7 step drops/ and when we 5man blitz a lot to get 1 on 1's

Sounds promising :bng:.

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Here were the final snap counts per Jeff Duncan:

Rankins - 38 of 60 defensive snaps.
DBreaux - 43 of 60 defensive snaps.

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Because DA knows in order to not get 50 points hung on us he has to disguise looks to cause confusion. The problem is that our defense is usually more confused than our opponents.

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Seriously? That was in training camp. In practice, during a drill. The teams weren't even fully lined up against each other.

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Whats the point?

With his outstanding performances before he got hurt do people actually think he won't improve this defense?

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improve the defense verse being the cog that we have missed on the line and the sole reason for our defensive line woes are two completely different things.

He is a rook, and we hope he is very good, but expectations should be tempered since he is a rookie that has missed half a season.

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and his point was the same one I made, he has never intercepted Tom Brady on a screen pass. preseason stats and play do not count. And before you shoot the messenger- that isn't my rule. Worse than quoting a play in a preseason game is disingenuously making a statement that grossly exaggerates the reality by purposely leaving out the surrounding context.

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Was at the game and made it a point to key in on him when he was in.

Overall, pass rush was there, but because of the bad coverage scheme people were running wide open. They never needed more that 3 secs to hit an open target. When coverage was decent the pocket collapsed. He also played well in the run.

He is going to be a stud, saw one double team that he pushed through and collapsed.

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Now preseason doesn't matter? I distinctly remember there was a certain level of crying about our offensive line. But go ahead and tell me about context.

I said getting Rankins back is like replacing a bad spark plug and you come running in like I was digging in your fridge. Relax, we're on the same team

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Sounds very promising, indeed. I didn't notice him with all the easy quick throws our secondary were giving away. Even if Kelly didn't like his QB to get the ball out quick, we made it too easy. So hopefully all that stuff said about Rankins is true.

If he is getting chipped, that's what we want. If he can't get to the QB, someone else should, when two linemen are taking him on. Dennis Allen made a mistake not playing more man coverage and forcing Kaepernick to hold it longer, even for just half a second, in my opinion.

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We are going to sell a lot of his jerseys for a long long time.

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I think he will at the very least hold his own and keep us from seeing any more drop off. He missed a lot of time though and to count on him making a big impact right away is asking a little much.

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we blew some coverages , true can be fixed um maybe, vacaro has the ability its the smarts that bother me, its the same coverages that they are going after him , not only him i no but he needs to get after it in the film room i believe. to see why they keep picking on him, every time they had wide open back or reciever it was his guy in the replay, am i seeing things right?

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You could be right but not knowing what coverage was called and what they were supposed to be playing is the question. Robertson admitted there were some mistakes in coverage but didn't say on who. He dropped in zone on those plays and Vaccaro looked like he was playing man or he just blew his assignment. Payton or Allen are the only ones who can say who messed up.

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From that article

Thats pretty darn good :-D

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My thoughts exactly. I don't even recall this particular play.
I need to re watch :p.