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44Champs 11-17-2016 10:38 PM

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About time Fleener!!

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Flsaintsgirl 11-17-2016 10:41 PM

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Damn we may pull this out!!

K Major 11-17-2016 10:43 PM

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Win, lose or draw ... I like what I'm seeing from the Saints defense tonight.

Flsaintsgirl 11-17-2016 10:44 PM

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**ck!!!!

brees84 11-17-2016 10:45 PM

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Zone bull*****!

ChrisXVI 11-17-2016 10:47 PM

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That'll do it. Came up just short.

K Major 11-17-2016 10:49 PM

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Took too long to score last possession. Wasted at least an extra minute or two.

Poor clock management. Coaches were bad tonight.

44Champs 11-17-2016 10:53 PM

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Wtf was that???

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jnormand 11-17-2016 10:56 PM

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I had a feeling we were gonna lose this one. Ugh. I hoped I was wrong. The slow starts and turnovers are killing us. Goodnight gents.

brees84 11-17-2016 10:56 PM

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Biggest play of the game and you play ZONE DEFENSE! 4 man rush. Yes, give him time to find open man. This coaching decisions are reaching new level of stupidity. Even Collisworth called him out. (allen or whoever calls plays on defense, saw Payton during game being unusually active when defense was on the field).

bobdog86 11-17-2016 10:59 PM

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once again beating ourselves.

saintshrimp 11-17-2016 11:01 PM

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This coaching staff has to go all of them

44Champs 11-17-2016 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 727717)
I had a feeling we were gonna lose this one. Ugh. I hoped I was wrong. The slow starts and turnovers are killing us. Goodnight gents.

And ST play once again.

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Cruize 11-17-2016 11:03 PM

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Horrible clock management. No sense of urgency. Someone just tuning in and not knowing the score, would have thought the Saints were up by two scores instead of down. If they had saved just 20 seconds, the could have given Lutz a chance.

44Champs 11-17-2016 11:08 PM

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We finally have a defense that is playing well enough to win, and we can't find a way to use that to our advantage. I'm a huge SP supporter, but not if he's gonna make the obvious changes. 2nd week in a row that we lose because of a blocked fg. Pitiful. If he can bench Ingram for fumbles, why cant he fire McMahon for all of his F ups?

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RailBoss 11-17-2016 11:09 PM

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That third down completion was a back breaker, that would have been the time for DA to bring the heat.

44Champs 11-17-2016 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 727738)
That third down completion was a back breaker, that would have been the time for DA to bring the heat.

You know I agree, but if you watch the replay, we actually had good pressure on Newton. He threw off his back foot with hands in his face. This was totally Sterling Moore fault. He was playing way too soft on Benjamin.

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K Major 11-17-2016 11:15 PM

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Another 7-9 season is looming in New Orleans.

I'd fire McMahon tonight.

saintshrimp 11-17-2016 11:15 PM

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You bring the house on that 3rd down thats a no brainer come on

44Champs 11-17-2016 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flsaintsgirl (Post 727710)
Damn we may pull this out!!

We pulled "it" out all right lol

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saintshrimp 11-17-2016 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 727740)
You know I agree, but if you watch the replay, we actually had good pressure on Newton. He threw off his back foot with hands in his face. This was totally Sterling Moore fault. He was playing way too soft on Benjamin.

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They always play too far off the wr it makes me sick seeing a 10 yrd cushion

brees84 11-17-2016 11:18 PM

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Sean Payton is becoming Jeff Fisher 2.0.

44Champs 11-17-2016 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 727744)
They always play too far off the wr it makes me sick seeing a 10 yrd cushion

We actually played pretty decent coverage tonight compared to last week. But not when it counted most.

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brees84 11-17-2016 11:20 PM

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But not when it counted most.

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It was zone coverage. Most absurd call of the day on defense.

RailBoss 11-17-2016 11:25 PM

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That was our chance right there, pretty much sealed the deal on the season.

Rell&Gold 11-18-2016 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 727718)
Biggest play of the game and you play ZONE DEFENSE! 4 man rush. Yes, give him time to find open man. This coaching decisions are reaching new level of stupidity. Even Collisworth called him out. (allen or whoever calls plays on defense, saw Payton during game being unusually active when defense was on the field).

DA did this last week too....he'll learn that's how Denver was completing a lot of their passes on 3rd down or at least call a zone blitz...

K Major 11-18-2016 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 727747)
It was zone coverage. Most absurd call of the day on defense.

Collinsworth questioned that play as well but for me, the lack of urgency down by 20 was a bit surprising.

K Major 11-18-2016 08:38 AM

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FWIW I think the defense (specifically the D line) is really encouraging. Craig Robertson has been solid (so is Ellerbe when he plays), Moore & Webb (credit DA & AGlenn) are doing a good job to say they were on the couch a few months ago.

Resigning Nick Fairley should be a priority this off season. I know many didn't initially like signing (some labeled him a thug/lazy/unmotivated etc) however he has been disruptive since opening day of TC & Rankins looks like a player at this level.

The special teams though ... oh boy.

Any other thoughts on the defense?

dizzle88 11-18-2016 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 727799)
FWIW I think the defense (specifically the D line) is really encouraging. Craig Robertson has been solid (so is Ellerbe when he plays), Moore & Webb (credit DA & AGlenn) are doing a good job to say they were on the couch a few months ago.

Resigning Nick Fairley should be a priority this off season. I know many didn't initially like signing (some labeled him a thug/lazy/unmotivated etc) however he has been disruptive since opening day of TC & Rankins looks like a player at this level.

The special teams though ... oh boy.

Any other thoughts on the defense?

Ken Crawley had a very good game and Vonn Bell is solid as a tackler.

The defense has been playing very well, as you said Nick Fairley being signed should be a priority, that tackle for a loss was incredible. His burst off the line is very impressive a guy of his size.

ChrisXVI 11-18-2016 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 727799)
FWIW I think the defense (specifically the D line) is really encouraging. Craig Robertson has been solid (so is Ellerbe when he plays), Moore & Webb (credit DA & AGlenn) are doing a good job to say they were on the couch a few months ago.

Resigning Nick Fairley should be a priority this off season. I know many didn't initially like signing (some labeled him a thug/lazy/unmotivated etc) however he has been disruptive since opening day of TC & Rankins looks like a player at this level.

The special teams though ... oh boy.

Any other thoughts on the defense?

Are you content with Robertson at Mike beyond this season? Or do you think we inevitably release Ellerbe, moving Robertson over to the weak side and find ourselves our 3rd new Mike in as many years?

K Major 11-18-2016 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 727804)
Are you content with Robertson at Mike beyond this season? Or do you think we inevitably release Ellerbe, moving Robertson over to the weak side and find ourselves our 3rd new Mike in as many years?

It's my opinion that this Saints team will need to know if Stephone Anthony has improved/progressed by the end of this season and no, I'm not "content" with Craig @ MIKE (however he has played well) but I need a natural. I'd slide him over to OLB.

Ellerbe is very good when he plays however I think the Saints FO move on from him this off season. Dude just can't help us consistently & that's a shame because he is a damn good player :bng:.

ChrisXVI 11-18-2016 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 727808)
It's my opinion that this Saints team will need to know if Stephone Anthony has improved/progressed by the end of this season and no, I'm not "content" with Craig @ MIKE (however he has played well) but I need a natural. I'd slide him over to OLB.

Ellerbe is very good when he plays however I think the Saints FO move on from him this off season. Dude just can't help us consistently & that's a shame because he is a damn good player :bng:.

Yeah I guess there are some variables involved. I agree that Robertson would be a better fit on the weak side. I wish there could be a miracle and we could keep the Ellerbe/Robertson tandem because they've looked phenomenal together these last two games but we know it won't last.

dizzle88 11-18-2016 09:42 AM

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Robertson, Fairley and Stupar are probably 3 of the best defensive signings we've had in a long time.

Further showing you don't need to break the bank (Jairus Byrd) to get players that work well.


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