Mickey Loomis...not so bad after all..
 

He oversees all aspect of the club's football operations, including coaching, player personnel, salary cap management, contract negotiations, equipment, video, athletic training and public relations.


Loomis believes in building through the draft and complementing the roster through free agency. His background in managing the salary cap helps immensely in that effort, because in today's NFL landscape cap management cannot be separated from personnel decision. Loomis understands how the two areas connect when completing a roster and the Saints have never been hounded by cap restraints since he took control of the franchise, evidenced by the active role the club takes each year in the free agent market under his stewardship.



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He has done a pretty good job when you break it down..and look at the accomplishments he has managed to achieve while here...

Having a guy who can effectively manage the cap helps out in many ways...

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To me, effectively managing the cap means doing two things:

1) Staying out of cap trouble.
Loomis has done a very good job of this. Year in and year out the Saints have plenty of money under the cap and can continue to sign players.

2) Using that money to sign good players.
IMO, Loomis and the current FO have done a pretty bad job of (a) addressing needs effectively, and (b) getting good value for the players we sign. We\'ve needed a LB, DT, S, CB almost every year over the last 5. While the team has signed some players at all of those positions - the players they\'ve signed haven\'t helped. Ruff, Ambrose, Craft, Sloan, Grady Jackson... there have just been too many second or third tier players that don\'t help the team. Likewise, when they do pay out big, it\'s to players like Tebucky Jones - who completely doesn\'t deserve it.

Loomis has always been considered a great numbers guy. But I question seriously this group\'s ability to evaluate talent and effectively address needs.

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I just hope finally his third time around he get it right and draft a corner this year. They\'re plenty cb out there and if he don\'t draft one, i\'ll be again one of unsupportive critics

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They have also made some good signings...

DE Charles Grant, Pro Bowl G LeCharles Bentley, DT Johnathan Sullivan and WR Donte\' Stallworth, and re-signed veterans such as WR Michael Lewis, TE Boo Williams and DE Willie Whitehead.(also..Buckwoldt, Smith, and Watson)

Not to mention this years outstanding FA period


Sullivan is inexcusable I will admit, we aren\'t the only one\'s who had him ranked high on the Draft Board..but..We gave up entirley too much for him at the same time..I won\'t try to make an excuse for that..

But..he has done right by the team..He is an active guy in F.A., and for the most part..does pretty well in the draft..he keeps us in a position to be able to move and adjust the Depth Chart according to whatever they may think they need at the time...

Alot of teams don\'t have that Luxury...

I\'m not trying to give him an A+...but a solid B is a fair assesment..We could be in a lot worse shape..

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Sullivan was rated AT BEST the 5th best DT in the draft. Since we moved up to 6th, and one went ahead of him, well, you do the math. It sure as hell shocked the crap out of Kiper and everyone on the ESPN panel when we took him. I can still see Kiper rifling through papers to find a write up on Sullivan cause it was such a shock. What was given up to get him, that makes that pick inexcusable, no matter who else we have gotten.

I will applaud Loomis on his cap handling though. That\'s why I feel at least when he wants to trade a Howard, he knows money wise it will help the team. I wish he would find a way to incorporate bigger name FAs into our cap, but I can\'t argue with his handling of our cap situation.

On personnel, I give him a C-. The way I felt when we picked Sullivan is still fresh in my mind, especially since I had such hopes when we had two picks in the first, and cause Trufant and Williams were right there. Also, too many free agents haven\'t panned out or been of the caliber or positions we have needed. Moneywise, he gets an A-. So overall I guess a B-. Somehow I thought it would be worse if I really looked at it.

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remember Pro Bowler DT Kevin Williams was the next selection ;)

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exactly why I said I will never forget he was there, especially since he was rated HIGHER than Sully by far on all boards.

Mickey Loomis...not so bad after all..
 

I never have understood that particular pick either...

They must have thought they saw something special in this kid...and if he doesn\'t step it up this year..He will likely be gone..We\'re never going to get what we payed for him...so, that\'s just a loss...

But, overall..The team is in good shape...especially, after this Off Season..we made some really good pick ups..and we still have Howard in our back pocket...

With the draft coming up in like 40 days...you can feel the anticipation building...there\'s a lot of things that can happen..and if the last few weeks mean anything..we could really be in position for an outstanding Off Season

By the way...Areany of you guys going to be on live chat during the Draft?

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The Saints draft is a personal pain for me. I am not confident enough that we will draft well to share it openly with others yet. :weepy:

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I think they have done a fair job so far. Sully was a bust but everyone else worked out well. I thought Will Smith was a great pick-up. I didn\'t understand the whole \"best player available\" deal until later. We really needed help in the secondary and they draft a DE when we already had two very talented ones. I don\'t regret their decision now, but I hope they don\'t do the same this year. We NEED a LB!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Loomis is learning-on-the-job - and he is learning at the expense of the Saints. A mistake like Sullivan likely won\'t happen again. They\'ve also learned their lesson that bringing in players like Ruff won\'t work to address a need position.
No doubt he has kept the Saints out of cap hell, but the same can be said for about 25 other teams. GMs have adjusted to the salary cap, though sometimes it was a painful learning process.

I would be more comfortable if Loomis was left to run the financial side (and equipment, public relations etc.) and a Head of Player Personnel was brought in who did the groundwork and coordinated with Loomis and Haslett.

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yes, you do have to give him credit for effectively managing the cap. bottomline in this business is wins though. to be frank, i would take the salary cap woes of the bucs to have saint players sporting superbowl win rings. heck, that goes for the panthers having been there and the falcons in the nfc championship game last year. all of them have had to cut players for the cap. but can i say i prefer what is starting to feel like endless mediocrity (32-32)? nope. therefore, there is no way loomis can be graded beyond below average. some good draft picks are mindless. everyone and their brother had will smith in the top ten overall. after tomlinson most had deuce as the next best (some had him #1) RB in the 2001 class. he just happened to fall that far cuz of injury concerns. it was no talent evaluating genius to pluck him. twenty teams passed on randy moss cuz of personality concerns even though he was by far the best rated talent in that class. kevin dyson was picked ahead of him LOL. seeing real talent is scoring a potential starting LB like bockwoldt in the 7th rd. as far as sullivan, if i was king (or owner) somebody\'s head would have rolled over that selection alone. it is one thing to have a upper end pick that you take about where everyone has him pegged, then he disappoints. stallworth is borderline there (still improving with potential). when you not only take your number one on a stretch up, but when you mortgage so much of the team\'s future by taking TWO number ones to reach for a guy you probably could have got with one of the picks you traded... that is a weighty decision that someone has to take responsibility for going so much out on the limb for. so draft wise it is a mixed bag to me. two 2nd round picks that cannot even make the active roster (stinch, devery) isn\'t anyhting to be proud about either. as far as free agent and trades, i see more non-producers than impact players. whodat mentioned some of them. tebucky had a clear and known rap sheet of not tackling when they went after him. a 3rd, 4th, and 7th picks for him wasn\'t back breaking but he never earned his high end pay. knight, who they chose to let go, had arguably better years for a tough miami defense. i personally endured ridicule from co-workers when they signed dale carter. it generally went somethig like, \"what kind of focked up organization would sign a washed up cokehead like him?\" albert connell, bryan cox, ambrose at age 33, conwell for 5 years, a draft pick for curtis keaton... nah, there is plenty enough bad moves here to go around. judging a player or manager from the organization\'s literature is like evalutating bush from the national review or a ceo from a company\'s website. i give loomis credit where due. i think he could be a valuable cap and contract manager. but when it comes to overall personnel decisions and knowing football players he wouldn\'t make the possible hire list for my team. we\'ll even say just the last 3 years... does 23-25 keep him employed for you?

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Over the years, Mickey Loomis has been bad, IMO.

But, this year he\'s done a very good job in FA. So far that is.

While the Saints were kinda quiet the first couple of days in FA, they seem to be one of the more busy teams at this point in time.

I like EVERY one of the moves so far. And they\'ve all been areas of need.

I don\'t like Loomis, but I give him credit. It seems Haslett is through playin\' around and is ready to WIN this year.

Go Saints!!

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Is Hasbeen through playin around or is the front office making a move to seperate themselves from the coaching staff ???

Considering Benson loves to kill off the entire group when he changes things in New Orleans ..... ;)

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Billy, with all due respect, have you ever thought that the Saints were doing a poor job in FA DURING the offseason?

Seems to me like you\'ve always been positive in the offseason - which makes the comment about THIS year suspect, especially if you thought the Saints were doing the right things in FA in the past, but now say that they have been \"bad\" in the past.

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STALLWORTH WAS MUELLER ERA NOT LOOMIS

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Well, WhoDat .... According to you, this team has had enough talent to go to the superbowl. At least that\'s what you\'ve said very recently. Would you like me to go pull up the quote? Or, are you not willing to stand behind yet another statement you have made?

I\'ve never hailed any free-agent period as an over the top success. I simply thought they had the talent the past few years to make the playoffs.

It seems you not only thought they had the talent to make the playoffs ... you thought they should have been in the super bowl.

I mean, according to you, WhoDat ... we\'ve got a top 5 receiver in Joe Horn. And a top 5 runningback in Deuce.

Your statements are so inconsistent that I\'m sure you can go back and prove any point you wish to make.

Afterall, you\'ve been on both sides of the fence about everything.

Didn\'t you predict Brooks to go to the pro bowl last year?

Didn\'t you predict the Saints to win their division?


Tell me I\'m wrong?!

Credible? You don\'t want to go their WhoDat. :o

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I\'d grade Mickey about average.
Above average cap wise, but below average personnel wise.
And I\'m one that think this team does have enough talent to go all the way.

I like his philosophy of taking the best player available instead of reaching for a need. But he\'s missed the boat one one thing. He doesn\'t address THE key weakness of this team year in and year out. Linebacker has been the weakness of this team for 4 years and while they have addressed it, they haven\'t exactly nailed it.

I\'m not as angry with the Sullivan pick as most. It was the right position, only the wrong player. Or at least he should have known that he would have been there later and there was no need to trade up. That was his key mistake. A savvy GM would probably have known that. I also suspect he got some bad info from Rick Meuller.

Last year he gets an A-plus for Will Smith and for simply swapping a 2004 3rd rounder for a 2005 2nd rounder straight up. EXCELLENT! BUT, he also passed on Donterrious Thomas and picked a position of ZERO need, WR. And I seriously doubt Henderson was slotted any higher than Thomas on our BPA scale. I think they missed out on Clayton and reached a bit for Henderson. Watson was a great pick, as was Karney and Bockwoldt.

Overall grade since Meuller left. C-plus. He lands good players, but never hits the bulls-eye.

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Uuuuhhhhh.... OK Billy.

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Mickey Loomis...not so bad after all..
 

Whatever you say man...

I\'m sorry, you were saying?