The 2017 Byrd quandary
 

What would you do with him next year? Pay cut? So far he has registered 67 total tackles and one pass defended.

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Thoughts?

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Lately he hasn't been as bad as he was at first, however the money we are paying him you can't just settle for "not bad." For that kind of money he needs to be a difference maker, I never see him undercut routes for picks or force fumbles, simply not worth it. I think release.

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Haircut on the money for sure, if he doesn't I want to go after the S from Michigan.

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I am not very knowledgeable with salary cap issues, but I would guess if the cap hit isn't too bad he will wind up being released. Yes, he has been better this year, but he has not made the impact that warrants what the Saints are paying for.

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If Jairus is released, Saints FO would incur roughly 8M in dead money as opposed to 3.5M or so in cap savings.

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2017 is the first year Byrd would actual be a positive cut

cap hit - dead money = savings

$11,700,000 - $8,000,000 = $3.7 mill

I would approach the off season trying not to back myself in a corner at FS but if I need some extra money to sign a quality FA and put a second year man back there starting, here is an option. I am still not sold on Bell at FS

Now the target year iMO would be 2018

$12,200,000 - $4,600,000 = $8 mill

Now the writing is on the wall IMO. because in 2019

$10,200,000 - $1,200,000 = $9 mill

There is a good chance he survives IMO in 2017. FA market will determine the to cut or not to cut move.

Watch the draft closely. Couple of pretty good safeties should be available to us in the draft. This a S, CB/S, CB rich draft. I would not be surprised to see us get at least 2 new faces in the secondary. a little wheeling and dealing possibly 3. Which would not bother me at all

But if money is needed Byrd is on the Cap causality options list without a doubt.

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It is hard coming back from multiple knee recos and he is only just starting to come good. Agree he needs to take a haircut in salary but I feel his experience has helped guys like Vaccaro and Bell (who I think is going to be a very good player for us).

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Vonn Bell is already making the calls to adjust coverage in the secondary so what exactly is Byrd good for at this point?!

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Experience, depth...

My concern is that he'd be a negative influence in the locker room...

Kenny Vaccaro's quote at the beginning of the season about wanting to be great really is coming back to me now...

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Has there been any indication that Byrd isn't good in the locker room?

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For Christ sake, get someone who can rush the damn QB finally....

We'll pick in the top 10. SHould be easy.

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Got to agree. I wouldn't mind another monster to go along with Rankins and Davidson. I think we resign Fairley, he's been decent enough to keep. I don't think Jenkins stays.

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Fairley has been decent? That's funny.

And are you referring to John Jenkins? He was released over a month ago.

Saints release defensive lineman John Jenkins, source confirms | NOLA.com

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I dropped the ball on Jenkins. Fairley started off on fire the first 5 games and cooled off until we played Tampa, maybe I'm reading the wrong stats.

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he is making calls but if he is take over the single high safety he needs step up his game more. So far he is best in the slot CB roll. of the line reading and reacting. time will tell and he has to be given a chance just like anthony does.

school of hard knocks.

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For those who believe in stats from PFF's, Byrd had top defensive grades this week. The dynamic we have with the 3 safeties is working pretty well and we'd be remiss to not try to keep that together next year.

We've had other guys take pay cuts in the past, so it shouldn't be out of the question here.

From a financial and on the field standpoint, it benefits everyone to keep him, work out a pay restructure (he'd probably still make more here than if he hit the open market, so we have leverage), and keep him another year. Then, in 2018 possibly cut him loose ;).

In my opinion, the current safety position is a strength on this team.

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Let's see if he makes it through the season first.

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What is the quandry? send his ass packing. throw a jug of milk back there, it would be more effective.

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Restructure and keep him. He finally looks healthy and could be a solid contributor next year.

If he doesn't want to restructure, then adios muchacho!

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Am I the only one who wants Delvin Breaux to find another team that guys cost us more in penalties than any other corner back in the league. He is horrible in coverage and can't seem to keep his hands off of receivers. He needs to be the first one cut.


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Two posts and they both mention that you hate Breaux. I like him. He is a good shut down corner who broke his leg this year and is still getting back in shape. Are you a member of SR? jk:broccoli:

Welcome to the board.

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I don't know what you mean by "SR".

I'm not judgmental of his passion for the game, but rather his stats. I'm just not seeing him help more than he is hurting the team.


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He had an injury-shortened season and never seemed to get back in the groove. He was bad, no doubt about it... But he was phenomenal last season so we know the ability is there. I still have faith in Breaux!

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We will soon see, I would love to be proven wrong and I would love for him to play the game without getting so many pass interference calls. It's not his physical ability to run with receivers nor his ability to play aggressive that is in question. But rather his ability to keep his hands off of wide receivers and to get his head turned around to make a play on the ball that, I have not seen from him yet. Again, I truly hope that I am wrong in that going into next year, if he is still on the team, he can get his head around to make a play on the ball and not grab and pull receivers. If he does not stop that behavior no matter what he will be released from the team. One other thing, I would love for him to get out of the number one spot for most penalized corner back in the league. The team cannot afford those 15 yard penalties that seem to always be at the wrong time.


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He's also the best CB we have. You don't cut anyone until you're sure you can upgrade.

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I can hardly see a scenario where Breaux is released anytime soon. Secondly, what source did you find out that DB is the most penalized CB in the league? Per NFL tracker, JOSH NORMAN (12) has been flagged far more this season and I'm 100 % certain the Redskins aren't considering cutting him :rolleyes:. Circle back to last week's game in Tampa. There were penalties across the board that are biting us. Unnecessary roughness by Harper, Stephone mugging the RB, Hills crucial holding call on the 1 inch line, Peat hold on a fg attempt etc, etc. Same can be said about penalties in the KC game (10-75) as well. It's a team effort on penalties and we are failing.

See NFL penalty tracker link below.

All Players - 2016 - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - List/Statistics/Data of NFL Penalties - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016

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We've got guys coming off of injured reserve, rookies who're wiser, and the draft will be fairly deep as it was last year at the position...

They'll be good guards in the mid rounds as well...

Don't understand national pundits having us go after CB...

Sign RG Kevin Zeitler, and we can pretty much let the good players fall to us in the draft...

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Yes I do believe that you are the only one.

He is the best CB on the team and is playing his second year in the league. I think he'll be fine if he can stay healthy.

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I agree that we have to get after the QB, C. Jordan is playing well and does get after the QB. However, most of the time he has 2 to 3 people defending him and without someone to draw some of this attention he will be a non factor most of the game.

Better cover guys can help this effort by playing smart and not being behind the sticks on 3rd downs (Defensive Coordinator). Letting teams catch the ball 5 to 7 yards in front of us when they need 7 to 8 yards for a first down is a gamble that continues to hurt us. We have to have cover guys that can pay Man Coverage in these situations and not use their hands beyond the 5 yard allowance. This is my issue with D. Breaux. No doubt he is good but he has to get his head around and go after the ball. I am simply not seeing him elevate his game. (I was mistaken in and earlier post when I said he was the most penalized CB. he is not). His play is hurting frustrating in so many ways I could right a book about it. PLAY THE BALL! DON'T TOUCH PULL AT THE RECEIVERS! I digress.


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I hope you are right... I really do.


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