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spkb25 01-01-2017 11:07 PM

Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
The Los Angeles Rams are expected to ask permission this week to speak with Payton about their head coach opening, according to a source familiar with the situation. General manager Mickey Loomis would be open to trading Payton, the source said.


Rams set sights on Sean Payton; GM Mickey Loomis open to trade, source says | NOLA.com

darstep 01-01-2017 11:34 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Somebody chop those legs off above the knee.
I kind of like that our problems are only on 1 side of the ball.
Much easier to fix than starting from scratch.
Payton may have his flaws, but give me a top 5 offense any day
and then work on trying to get the defense up to par.
The Payton system just works. Plug-and-play.
It even worked with ugly O-line play this year.
Just doesn't work on defense.
"To me", that's a manageable short-fall.

spkb25 01-01-2017 11:45 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darstep (Post 731997)
Somebody chop those legs off above the knee.
I kind of like that our problems are only on 1 side of the ball.
Much easier to fix than starting from scratch.
Payton may have his flaws, but give me a top 5 offense any day
and then work on trying to get the defense up to par.
The Payton system just works. Plug-and-play.
It even worked with ugly O-line play this year.
Just doesn't work on defense.
"To me", that's a manageable short-fall.

The offense cost us 5 games this year, I detailed them in the other thread where I replied to you

CharityMike 01-01-2017 11:54 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
We should merge the 2 threads on this topic.

jnormand 01-01-2017 11:57 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 732002)
The offense cost us 5 games this year, I detailed them in the other thread where I replied to you

Don't listen to him Dar. Spike is just mad that he's gonna look ridiculous next season when we kick ass!!! Lol. Hi Spike.

spkb25 01-02-2017 12:00 AM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 732006)
Don't listen to him Dar. Spike is just mad that he's gonna look ridiculous next season when we kick ass!!! Lol. Hi Spike.

This doesn't actually make sense to what was happening lmao, but okay. he said the defense cost us all the games, and although that has been true in the past it wasn't true this year. The Buc, Giants, Chiefs, Broncos, and Panthers games were lost by our offense.

I have openly stated that I still think SP can coach but needs a reboot. If he does stay I hope we go 13-3 and win a SB

nola_swammi 01-02-2017 02:57 AM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 732002)
The offense cost us 5 games this year, I detailed them in the other thread where I replied to you

If we just lost 5 games we would be in the playoffs

WhoDat!656 01-02-2017 03:52 AM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
The Rams are such a dumpster fire of a team needing all the help they can get that I can't see them giving up draft picks to get him.

Also his track record on draft picks isn't very good.

jnormand 01-02-2017 04:19 AM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 732008)
This doesn't actually make sense to what was happening lmao, but okay. he said the defense cost us all the games, and although that has been true in the past it wasn't true this year. The Buc, Giants, Chiefs, Broncos, and Panthers games were lost by our offense.

I have openly stated that I still think SP can coach but needs a reboot. If he does stay I hope we go 13-3 and win a SB

Sorry. I was drunk. Lol!

halloween 65 01-02-2017 09:41 AM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darstep (Post 731997)
Somebody chop those legs off above the knee.
I kind of like that our problems are only on 1 side of the ball.
Much easier to fix than starting from scratch.
Payton may have his flaws, but give me a top 5 offense any day
and then work on trying to get the defense up to par.
The Payton system just works. Plug-and-play.
It even worked with ugly O-line play this year.
Just doesn't work on defense.
"To me", that's a manageable short-fall.

This statemement you made is the only reason I can't pull to have Payton gone, but if he want get a D staff in here this season to replace those pathetic clowns we have now I'll be worse than spike is on him.

AsylumGuido 01-02-2017 10:07 AM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 732022)
The Rams are such a dumpster fire of a team needing all the help they can get that I can't see them giving up draft picks to get him.

Also his track record on draft picks isn't very good.

They already gave up a ton of draft picks to move up to get Goff. They don't have a lot to work with as is.

44Champs 01-02-2017 10:23 AM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darstep (Post 731997)
Somebody chop those legs off above the knee.
I kind of like that our problems are only on 1 side of the ball.
Much easier to fix than starting from scratch.
Payton may have his flaws, but give me a top 5 offense any day
and then work on trying to get the defense up to par.
The Payton system just works. Plug-and-play.
It even worked with ugly O-line play this year.
Just doesn't work on defense.
"To me", that's a manageable short-fall.

7-9 three years in a row is your definition of the "Payton system works"? Ok lol

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Rugby Saint II 01-02-2017 03:31 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Lose Loomis and keep Payton. Loomis is the GM right? Maybe he should accept the responsibility.

WillSaints81 01-02-2017 04:10 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 732020)
If we just lost 5 games we would be in the playoffs

But the games the defense lost there's no guarantee we win all of them. Oakland yes, but the saints would not have had the hurry up offense going in the early fourth if the defense played better than they did. They just would not have played with that urgency. You can look at all the past games the defense and offense both played well and see what I am talking about.

The lions is still a close call in that case and Brees and the oline would have to have Detroit scared to rush him in the redzone. Atlanta's second game is still a close call as that onside kick would not have been kicked if the saints were not down two scores. In this case, the Atlanta offense without that first big play takes time off the clock, before kicking a fg or punting, and chances are we have only 10 at the half and not 13. Maybe we get a turnover and we have 17. Atlanta probably scores 20 at the half. The raiders did not even score 35 at the half, neither did SD. That's more to do with Atlanta's offense than our defense. So we could have been 9-7 and out.

44Champs 01-02-2017 07:47 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com...ck-here-saints

If he stays, please get rid of McMahon

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burningmetal 01-02-2017 08:15 PM

Re: Can't say what will happen but this is growing legs
 
The problem I have with the opinion that we are just a defense away from contending again, and therefore Payton isn't the problem, is that much of the problems on defense can be attributed to his unwillingness to part ways with his buddies.

He doesn't hire very well, when he does make changes, but we have that cast of characters who just won't leave, because Payton won't make them.

If that doesn't change, I don't know that the arrow will ever point in the right direction for this organization. I'd like to think that there is enough talent, that if it grows, we will be good. But I can't help but wonder if that growth won't be stunted by our coaching staff, because that has been their reputation on the defensive side of the ball.

I know everyone wants to know who would replace Sean if he ever left or got fired, and I don't know the answer. I know some names I'd go after, but I don't know what the Saints will actually do. All I know is what I've been opining on for some time, and that is that if Sean won't budge on this stale coaching staff, I don't see how we benefit from continuing to sit around on the memories of yesteryear.


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