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The offense can't make that excuse in the games where they were at their worst. The defense showed up in all the games where the offense went silent.

So while I agree in principle with what you're saying about playing catch up, it didn't necessarily apply to this team. When we only needed a decent performance from the offense, they were terrible. In games when we only needed the defense to have a slight pulse, they didn't have one.

On average, the defense was obviously the bigger problem. But the offense had no excuse in those games where they completely disappeared. Add in the horrid special teams play, and the bottom line is this team couldn't find a way to play together often enough to win. They found ways to lose.

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AMEN

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While the offense had no excuse, with an improved defense and special teams they can easily take us to the Super Bowl. Do you doubt that?

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That wasn't the discussion. There was a specific argument made that the offense failed to show up in certain games, and some make the argument that the defense puts too much pressure on the offense. That is a logical argument in many cases, but my point was simply that it didn't apply to this team. My comment wasn't about how good or bad the offense is, overall.

Are they good enough to win the Super Bowl if the defense and special teams improve? Maybe. That depends on just how much improvement we're talking about. Because the problem with this offense disappearing against some of the better teams on our schedule, is that if we're going to make a run through the playoffs, that can't happen.

We still have to improve guard play, and I would prefer to replace Strief, also. It's an offense that's easily good enough to make the playoffs, but Super Bowl? That's a maybe, but not about to be easy, in my opinion.

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Another solid post

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That pretty much sums it all up. Well said. How much improvement is the key!!

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Why don't you share a room? LOL!

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Let's go camping! :pink:

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Is Drew better off being off the field for too much time. A defense that gets turnovers and scores would maybe make him too rusty on the side lines. Also, I'm not sure a defense that gets turnovers will lead to Brees quickly scoring against real defenses. The defenses in the playoffs can play defense in the redzone. Special teams. This team has been punting often after a 3 and out. Sometimes they get to the 50. So with improved special teams, maybe a drive gets the offense to the 40 yard line which leads to 57+ yard field goals. The saints usually score if they get a couple first downs. So really, some may think the defense tightens up as the drives continue but that's not been the case with us. We have had a lot of three and outs.

I just don't think improving the defense and special teams does more than get us to the playoffs. Detroit, LA, Washington, and Minnesota will put this offense to the test with all of those changes to defense and special teams. And the offense will also be tested at GB and against NE.