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turbo_dog 02-03-2017 12:54 PM

Coach Says Team Needs to Improve Defense - Shocker
 
Uh-oh, he mentions how good this draft is for CB, S, and RB. Please don't take a running back! And can we get some FN linebackers, for Pete's sake?! Am I the only one who thinks our LB corps has been sub-par for years? Even going back to Haslett days, too little attention was given to upgrading speed and playmaking at linebacker. At least we had Vilma for a little while, and I'm encouraged by Anthony's stoutness, when healthy. I'd like to see an injection of talent at OLB. Anyone else?

Sean Payton: Saints have to improve on defense - NFL.com

jnormand 02-03-2017 01:06 PM

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I watched this this morning. He's not going to show his hand regarding the draft. So I wouldn't take much he said as reality.

I'm pretty positive we're going LB and pass rusher first. Unless someone is targeted in FA.

halloween 65 02-03-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 735554)
Uh-oh, he mentions how good this draft is for CB, S, and RB. Please don't take a running back! And can we get some FN linebackers, for Pete's sake?! Am I the only one who thinks our LB corps has been sub-par for years? Even going back to Haslett days, too little attention was given to upgrading speed and playmaking at linebacker. At least we had Vilma for a little while, and I'm encouraged by Anthony's stoutness, when healthy. I'd like to see an injection of talent at OLB. Anyone else?

Sean Payton: Saints have to improve on defense - NFL.com

S, OLB, NT, CB, and TE are on my list. I think we draft a CB and pick up a good one in FA. I also hope we can get the ILB from Carolina and slide Anthony back in the middle enabling Robertson to go back outside then draft a bad a$$ OLB. Stupar, Ellerbe, Anthony, FA Carolina, Robertson would improve our lb.'s. It's all in vein without crushing the pocket, insert NT to beef the middle, resign Kruger and Ediboli at DE.

K Major 02-03-2017 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 735556)
resign Kruger at DE.

I'd let Paul walk. He had virtually no impact last season coming off the edge.

K Major 02-03-2017 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 735555)

I'm pretty positive we're going LB and pass rusher first. Unless someone is targeted in FA.

I'm with you and I'd like to know what other LB at any college level that checks all of the boxes more so than Reuben Foster. No way I'd pass up this kid (assuming he is there at #11) who could become arguably the next Luke Kuechly for years to come.

More importantly, the Saints have added Mike Nolan to coach up our LB crew.

saintsfan1976 02-03-2017 02:56 PM

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Don't belive everything you hear/read.

That leads to endless "protests"

blackangold 02-03-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 735557)
I'd let Paul walk. He had virtually no impact last season coming off the edge.

Agreed, Kruger was just as bad as Richardson, zero impact. DE is a must in this draft. The last time we had an acceptable defense was when we had two DEs that could rush the passer.

dizzle88 02-03-2017 04:16 PM

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I'm just glad we didn't sign Kruger to that massive deal that Payton originally planned before Cleveland beat us to him.

saintsfan1976 02-03-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 735566)
I'm just glad we didn't sign Kruger to that massive deal that Payton originally planned before Cleveland beat us to him.

for a change....

saintsfan1976 02-03-2017 04:26 PM

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I'm high on Reuben also. He's a franchise LB. Whatever that is...

Beastmode 02-03-2017 05:16 PM

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Panthers may snatch Fournette. Focus will be LB, DE. CB's and Safeties are not going to help that much if that goes down and we are already weak in that area.

Danno 02-03-2017 06:27 PM

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Its now the time of year for smokescreens.

If coaches and GM's say something, its most likely intentionally misleading.

hagan714 02-03-2017 06:34 PM

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SP is right. This is a draft to completely rebuild a secondary with. deep big and talented.

Some steals at RB are very possible

Still not sold on Dalvin Cook going in the top ten much less the top 20. he is not an Elliot.

Fournette is different. he carries that rare freak label.

RaginCajun83 02-03-2017 06:46 PM

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Cook > Fournette

So coach says they going Defense in the draft, with the 11th Pick the Saints select Deshawn Watson QB Clemson

Danno 02-03-2017 06:50 PM

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Free agency is for addressing immediate needs
Draft is for selecting the BPA and depth at areas of weakness.

The draft is full of JAG'S. Finding a gem is much easier if you address weaknesses in free agency.

K Major 02-03-2017 07:10 PM

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Saints podcast: CBS Sports salary cap expert Joel Corry discusses free agency | NOLA.com

K Major 02-03-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 735581)
Free agency is for addressing immediate needs

Given the Saints past track record in FA, they can ill afford any more misses (Browner :rolleyes:, CJ Spiller, James Laurinitus) in 2017. On the flip side, Nick Fairley was a home run. I'd really like to have him back at a fair price. Tough to gauge what his market value will be. I also wonder what the FO will do with Byrd (restructure or do they let him walk).

Ahh, the off season.

Beastmode 02-03-2017 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 735579)
Cook > Fournette

So coach says they going Defense in the draft, with the 11th Pick the Saints select Deshawn Watson QB Clemson

I've watched a lot of video on both. Fournette IMO will be the better RB long term. He's going to score a lot barring injuries. He can get that 1-2 yards almost every time. Cook, not that kind of back. He will get stuffed on the GL and is more prone to injury with that cutback style, also much smaller. Speed in the open slight advantage to Cook but not much. Really not liking the Panthers have a shot at Fournette. It's going to be a problem for us.

spkb25 02-04-2017 12:03 AM

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Look at 7-9 throwing smokescreens by pretending we need help on D. Nice work Low Energy

hagan714 02-04-2017 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 735579)
Cook > Fournette

So coach says they going Defense in the draft, with the 11th Pick the Saints select Deshawn Watson QB Clemson


Both are scheme limited RB.

Cook is a zone blocking RB and Fournette is a power blocking RB

So we are comparing apples to oranges in a way.

Cook in Carolina makes more sense than Fournette IMO.

Other RB will be in the draft in the for years to come that have the same skill set and build as Cook. There is not another RB in the que for the next few years that even comes close to offering what Fournette does for a power rushing team.

I am still on the fence about Cook being 20+ picks better RB than Christian McCaffrey. Cook is not Elliot. Christian maybe more of a one cut back and cook is shifter but in no way does Cook offer the flexibility that Christian does. Christian can beat you 100 different ways.

Shame the best back in the draft will go un drafted and might not even play in the NFL. Joe Mixon.

Actually would not be surprised to see both Cook and Christian fall in the draft and end up in the second. But the talent quality in round 1 seams to be all about upside than a high floor.

Been wrong before and this is why I love the draft. all so called educated guess work

vpheughan 02-04-2017 08:06 AM

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Payton was handing out those Fake glasses with the big nose and mustache for the prospects to wear till draft day. "If you can't see them, they aren't there!" Yes it's the same one's they put on players when they "sneak" them through waivers.

Rugby Saint II 02-05-2017 01:10 PM

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Can Ireland work another magical draft on defense? Heck, Thomas was a second round steal for our dominant offense. But we need to focus strictly on defense......unless we take a guard in the first three rounds.

QBREES9 02-05-2017 02:23 PM

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Damn, we didn't know that.


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