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jeanpierre 02-15-2017 08:17 AM

2017 NFL Calendar Year: Franchise Tags Begin
 
Don't see the Saints using the franchise tag on anyone...

But who could be tagged that the Saints may want to sign???



jeanpierre 02-15-2017 08:18 AM

Re: 2017 NFL Calendar Year: Franchise Tags Begin
 
Cardinals president Michael Bidwill reiterates they’re tagging Chandler Jones | ProFootballTalk

jeanpierre 02-15-2017 08:24 AM

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Saints need a guard and Kevin Zeitler is the top guard in the market...

Good read on what could be happening in Bengalland...


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/2/14...s-what-to-know

K Major 02-15-2017 09:18 AM

Re: 2017 NFL Calendar Year: Franchise Tags Begin
 
"I could see a scenario where the Bengals tag Zeitler and later sign him to a long-term deal, though I think it's far more likely they bypass the tag for him before he ultimately signs a massive deal with another team".

Do you see this happening with Zeitler?

ChrisXVI 02-15-2017 09:23 AM

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What's the deal with Cincy?! Why in the world are they letting Zeitler walk? Is there more to it or are they just inept?

jeanpierre 02-15-2017 09:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 736780)
"I could see a scenario where the Bengals tag Zeitler and later sign him to a long-term deal, though I think it's far more likely they bypass the tag for him before he ultimately signs a massive deal with another team".

Do you see this happening with Zeitler?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 736781)
What's the deal with Cincy?! Why in the world are they letting Zeitler walk? Is there more to it or are they just inept?

14 million for a guard? Curious to see what his asking price is...

I'm figuring he's looking for a four/five year deal a little better than Kelechi Osemele's deal of 60mil/5 years (12 mil/annum)...

So it would make sense to tag him; however, Cincy may have a guard that can produce at a slightly less rate for a whole let less money...

ScottF 02-15-2017 10:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 736782)
14 million for a guard? Curious to see what his asking price is...

I'm figuring he's looking for a four/five year deal a little better than Kelechi Osemele's deal of 60mil/5 years (12 mil/annum)...

So it would make sense to tag him; however, Cincy may have a guard that can produce at a slightly less rate for a whole let less money...

but if they tag him it will cost 14, and with what they have to worry about, I don't think they can afford it

jeanpierre 02-15-2017 10:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 736786)
but if they tag him it will cost 14, and with what they have to worry about, I don't think they can afford it

Right, well my point is that if they want to keep him, it makes sense to tag him as there's not a whole lot of difference between 12.5 mil (expected number) and 14 mil (tag cost)...

The thing is: Do they want to commit that much cap to a guard?

For the Saints, I can see it as we did it for Jahri Evans and our offense is built with a greater importanct on the interior linemen...

For the Bengals, they may be more concerned with their tackles...

If Zeitler gets to the open market, the Saints must make a play for him...

Going cheaper for someone like Leary will be a just throwing away money...

K Major 02-15-2017 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 736789)

Going cheaper for someone like Leary will be a just throwing away money...

Agreed. There are better guards out there.

The Dude 02-15-2017 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 736789)
Right, well my point is that if they want to keep him, it makes sense to tag him as there's not a whole lot of difference between 12.5 mil (expected number) and 14 mil (tag cost)...

The thing is: Do they want to commit that much cap to a guard?

For the Saints, I can see it as we did it for Jahri Evans and our offense is built with a greater importanct on the interior linemen...

For the Bengals, they may be more concerned with their tackles...

If Zeitler gets to the open market, the Saints must make a play for him...

Going cheaper for someone like Leary will be a just throwing away money...

I am interested. Like u said guards are the most crucial part of the line right now with the way Brees plays. Unless they plan on changing things up for the future.

Rugby Saint II 02-16-2017 01:40 PM

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We have so many needs on defense that it makes sense to start throwing money at players on the defensive side of the ball when free agency hits. Drew wants a strong and opportunistic defense to help him win a Championship again. I believe that we should give it to him.

But first give him Zeitler to open running lanes and keep the pocket clean for Drew to step into and deliver a laser for another first down.

saintfan 02-16-2017 02:21 PM

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Pay 1/3 more for a guard, that way you can pay 1/3 less for your RB/WR. Drew lights it up with minimal protection. Build out from the lines is what I say.

hagan714 02-16-2017 05:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 736782)
14 million for a guard? Curious to see what his asking price is...

I'm figuring he's looking for a four/five year deal a little better than Kelechi Osemele's deal of 60mil/5 years (12 mil/annum)...

So it would make sense to tag him; however, Cincy may have a guard that can produce at a slightly less rate for a whole let less money...

14 mill for the top guard? so sorry next!
Johnathan Hankins NY Giants 25
Rick Wagner RT Baltimore Ravens 26

next

A.J. Klein MLB Carolina 25
Micah Hyde FS/SS Green Bay 26
Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, Ravens 26

Now look at the next group of OG. Larry Warford ?

jeanpierre 02-16-2017 06:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 736909)
14 mill for the top guard? so sorry next!

Rick Wagner RT Baltimore Ravens 26
A.J. Klein MLB Carolina 25
Micah Hyde FS/SS Green Bay 26

Now look at the next group of OG. Larry Warford ?

What's the difference in that than Jahri Evans?!?

We'd be gettin a player ENTERING his prime rather than paying a descending player...

And if you factor the inflation rate on the cap, that would be the same kinda money?!?

If he puts our O Line and team over the top, why do you not do it?!?

halloween 65 02-16-2017 09:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 736916)
What's the difference in that than Jahri Evans?!?

We'd be gettin a player ENTERING his prime rather than paying a descending player...

And if you factor the inflation rate on the cap, that would be the same kinda money?!?

If he puts our O Line and team over the top, why do you not do it?!?

JP, I could agree about him being able to put the O over the top but not the entire team. We lack to many pieces on D that needs fixed, although we might not see the positions the same on the D side, our O can be fixed easily with a couple players. I'm not knocking him and really think he would be great but thats a great deal of money to give 1 player at 1 position when that money could help fix a few positions on the side that has constantly cost us year in and year out since Payton has been here. I would love to have him don't get me wrong but thats a steep price tag to pay for a O that ranks as high as ours already.

ScottF 02-17-2017 09:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 736949)
JP, I could agree about him being able to put the O over the top but not the entire team. We lack to many pieces on D that needs fixed, although we might not see the positions the same on the D side, our O can be fixed easily with a couple players. I'm not knocking him and really think he would be great but thats a great deal of money to give 1 player at 1 position when that money could help fix a few positions on the side that has constantly cost us year in and year out since Payton has been here. I would love to have him don't get me wrong but thats a steep price tag to pay for a O that ranks as high as ours already.

I agree.
our offense was first, defense worst.
if we are going to sign the highest paid guy at his position, it can't be on offense

K Major 02-17-2017 09:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 736967)
I agree.
our offense was first, defense worst.
if we are going to sign the highest paid guy at his position, it can't be on offense

Article worth sharing:New Orleans Saints Salary Cap | Over the Cap

K Major 02-17-2017 10:14 AM

Re: 2017 NFL Calendar Year: Franchise Tags Begin
 
Cardinals president confirms they'll use franchise tag on Chandler Jones

Full story:Cardinals president confirms they'll use franchise tag on Chandler Jones - CBSSports.com

jeanpierre 02-23-2017 08:46 AM

Re: 2017 NFL Calendar Year: Franchise Tags Begin
 
We had a good, but not great offensive line...and we were stoppable...

You reintroduce dominant guards to this offense, the other team is playing catchup...

And that makes it easier for your defense to pin their ears back, more strip sacks, interceptions...

The offense with the skill players we now have just needs a prime right guard...

There will still be plenty of FA money to compete for a good pass rusher, plus you have one less critical need in the draft...


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