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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal You think Loomis just magically predicted that? I'm sure all teams who had to pay back a loan were informed that it was going to happen. Loomis is not a genius. This is very basic stuff. ...

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Old 03-29-2017, 08:26 AM   #1
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Re: Saints lose $4.5M in 2017 salary cap space after paying back NFL loan

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You think Loomis just magically predicted that? I'm sure all teams who had to pay back a loan were informed that it was going to happen.

Loomis is not a genius. This is very basic stuff.
I never said he "magically predicted" anything. I simply said that he had built into contracts the flexibility to cover the "loan" whenever it did occur.
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Re: Saints lose $4.5M in 2017 salary cap space after paying back NFL loan

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I never said he "magically predicted" anything. I simply said that he had built into contracts the flexibility to cover the "loan" whenever it did occur.
Pardon me, but your amazement at what seems to be a pretty simple move makes it sound like you think he foresaw this without warning.

I don't see how this is so impressive. Almost every contract has this option built in it, and if it didn't, you could easily restructure with the player to add that option, and then use it.

There are a lot of teams who have made the playoffs since the last time we made it, and their GM's manage to get their coaches the players they want, within the same cap rules. So why is it that you continue to absolve Loomis of any responsibility, and claim that he's just doing Payton's bidding, when the same could be said for all of these other GM's who's teams are much more successful and they do it all under the same constraints as Loomis?

I've never said this was all on him, either. Payton, his scouting department, and assistants through the years share plenty of responsibility in this. But there is nothing Loomis is doing that sets him apart, that anyone has shown me. He gets all kinds of glory when things go right, but he's somehow blameless when they don't. Sorry, but this doesn't pass the common sense test, to me.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Saints lose $4.5M in 2017 salary cap space after paying back NFL loan

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Pardon me, but your amazement at what seems to be a pretty simple move makes it sound like you think he foresaw this without warning.

I don't see how this is so impressive. Almost every contract has this option built in it, and if it didn't, you could easily restructure with the player to add that option, and then use it.

There are a lot of teams who have made the playoffs since the last time we made it, and their GM's manage to get their coaches the players they want, within the same cap rules. So why is it that you continue to absolve Loomis of any responsibility, and claim that he's just doing Payton's bidding, when the same could be said for all of these other GM's who's teams are much more successful and they do it all under the same constraints as Loomis?

I've never said this was all on him, either. Payton, his scouting department, and assistants through the years share plenty of responsibility in this. But there is nothing Loomis is doing that sets him apart, that anyone has shown me. He gets all kinds of glory when things go right, but he's somehow blameless when they don't. Sorry, but this doesn't pass the common sense test, to me.
I respect your opinion, but most of the cap restraints were caused by dead money brought on by bad personnel decisions by Payton and his pro scouting team. It now appears that the team is headed in the right direction. I believe in looking forward and not dwelling on the past. It is a much healthier attitude.

And I wasn't amazed at all. Not sure where that came from?
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