Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler
 

Sean Payton: New Orleans Saints won't sign Malcolm Butler to offer sheet

Good news, Payton is standing his ground. Does not appear he is willing to give up the #11 pick.

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I don't think anyone ever thought that was an option.

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You haven't been around here much lately, have you? :D

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He meant anyone that could execute logical thought processes.

;)

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Not even #32!

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"He meant anyone that could execute logical thought processes."


Like those who insisted a deal was all but done for Butler and that was why they got such a minimal return for Brandin Cooks? 'Cause I read a lot of that, about two weeks ago now. I guess all those dogmatic opinions of people who had that all figured out are now realizing it wasn't that simple.

The Patriots don't play buddy ball. We might not trade the #11 pick, but that doesn't mean the Patriots won't ask for it, which it appears they have, and that is precisely what I tried to tell a few people who insisted this handshake deal was already in place. They aren't just going to level the playing field for us to be "fair". Nor should they. As much as I don't like the Patriots, they have to do what's best for them, and our team needs to stop thinking the Patriots are our friends.

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We killed two birds with one stone this week. The first being the Manziel crap.

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Quit making fun of me. :stupid:

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good job payton. hold your ground, belichek was sure u were giving him #1 pick. pess on him, lets move on.

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As previous posters have stated, giving up pick #11 wasn't even an option.

My most recent wish list at #11 :

Reuben Foster (assuming Cincy passes on him) - LB extraordinaire
Takkarist McKinley - DE
Solomon Thomas - DE (I don't think he gets past San Fran)

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Dont want McKinley at 11
I dont think he is bog enough or has the power to set the edge. Looks more a 3-4LB than 4-3 DE

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We would never do that. Hell we could get a great CB at #11 and skip the high priced contract!

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The way our defensive scheme flip flops, probably won't even matter ;).

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I'm hoping Dennis Allen sticks around awhile; at least then we know we'll stay a 4-3 :doh:

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FIFY

SFIAH

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According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick.

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I'm sure the #11 had to come up in conversation at some point... To me though; Butler isn't even worth the #32...

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Pick 11: Reuben Foster
Pick 32: Tre'davious White

^That would make my day.

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I'm not so sure it's Loomis standing ground as much as the fresh blood in the building. In the past we gave up too much......maybe because we have a good relationship with their team through joint practices.

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This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them.

How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots.

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If the #11 was in play the Saints could have simply signed him to an offer sheet. Since they wouldn't Belichick would logically know #11 wasn't an option. If the #11 isn't an option then nothing matters until Butler signs the waiver. THAT is the holdup. Nothing can happen until then. You can only negotiate to trade (within the rules) a player that is currently under contract. Butler isn't.