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4everSaint 04-06-2017 10:42 PM

Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
It's pretty common knowledge RB is 30. You see it every year where there is an "over the hill" player at 30 getting let go, open for trade, or retiring. Same for QB, I would say she 35-39 range. On average. (Romo this year).

What I would like to know is if anyone knows the numbers for for WRs, CBS and LBs. Is there a "magic number " for this group?

I'm asking because of the Seahawks being open to letting Sherman go, but for a huge price. He is 29, is that "old" by their standards or by histories numbers at the position or a "business" decision to try and just capitalize while they can.

The only thing I can think about is Byrd. I was so excited but... we know how that ended.

voodooido 04-07-2017 01:51 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
Sherman sucks unless he has help over top. If not for his two dominant safeties he would be avg at best.

hagan714 04-07-2017 03:58 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 744035)
Sherman sucks unless he has help over top. If not for his two dominant safeties he would be avg at best.

Same complaint I have about Malcolm Butler

Saints need a youth movement of proven nfl players. raiding teams for players like Klien can be looked at as a redo for all the drafts the saints have had in recent years also.

This is a common move by the Pats.

As for RB age the Pats got my FA target.
Rex Burkhead RB 26 CIN NE 1/$3,150,000

The Pats also signed
Lawrence Guy DE 27 BAL NE 4/$13,400,000

This is a proven way to build a club.

AsylumGuido 04-07-2017 08:00 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 744032)
It's pretty common knowledge RB is 30. You see it every year where there is an "over the hill" player at 30 getting let go, open for trade, or retiring. Same for QB, I would say she 35-39 range. On average. (Romo this year).

What I would like to know is if anyone knows the numbers for for WRs, CBS and LBs. Is there a "magic number " for this group?

I'm asking because of the Seahawks being open to letting Sherman go, but for a huge price. He is 29, is that "old" by their standards or by histories numbers at the position or a "business" decision to try and just capitalize while they can.

The only thing I can think about is Byrd. I was so excited but... we know how that ended.

Your "magic numbers" are based upon historical perceptions and does not take into account the advancements in training, nutrition and treatment over the past decade. It also doesn't take into consideration the changes made to the rules over the past five years. There is every reason to believe these changes can add five years to QB's and at least two or three years to the average longevity of other position players. This is illustrated by both Brees and Brady mentioning publicly their expectations of playing into their mid-forties.

K Major 04-07-2017 08:11 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 744035)
Sherman sucks unless he has help over top. If not for his two dominant safeties he would be avg at best.

Simply not true. Even if Richard is "average", he far better than anything we have on our roster at the position.

If you are in to stats, Richard has allowed 12 TD's since he joined the league. Petersen (arguably the best cover corner in league) has allowed 30. He has also been targeted less than any#1 cb over the last 5 years, yet he still leads all #1 Cb's in int's during that time span.

Loudmouth? ... to an extent I would agree, but to say this man "sucks" or "average" is being shortsighted.

SmashMouth 04-07-2017 08:11 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
What's the average length of employment in the NFL? It's probably that number.

jeanpierre 04-07-2017 08:16 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
This blow the secondary up mentality is frustrating...

We lost our top two CBs in the first 1.5 weeks to freak injury...

Give them a chance and I think y'all see that the tandem of Breaux and Williams could be a top 8 duo in the league...

And now that the front is being addressed, they won't have to cover for over 4.5 seconds...

Not to mention, the Free Safety mistake was finally addressed, removed and likely replaced...

Beastmode 04-07-2017 08:43 AM

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Sherman is pretty good even at his age. I thought he had a lot of penalties but he really did not last year. He also had 4 picks but I agree, he needs to be in a specific environment to have success.

I would like to have him because it seems like we will be capable of generating pressure, like real pressure without blitzing if we shore the line with a DE. He could make us money in those short potential passing situations which will likely generate turnovers.

The price point though is not going to work. We can achieve the same effect for much less I believe. Really don't want to have him on some 2 year deal where we get rooked again.

rezburna 04-07-2017 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 744044)
Simply not true. Even if Richard is "average", he far better than anything we have on our roster at the position.

If you are in to stats, Richard has allowed 12 TD's since he joined the league. Petersen (arguably the best cover corner in league) has allowed 30. He has also been targeted less than any#1 cb over the last 5 years, yet he still leads all #1 Cb's in int's during that time span.

Loudmouth? ... to an extent I would agree, but to say this man "sucks" or "average" is being shortsighted.

I'm with you bro. I don't know who people have been watching over the last couple of years. Richard Sherman is no less than top 5 at his position. Our fans are really picky. I mean yeah, Seattle runs a certain scheme...but isn't it noted that Sean Payton wants to implement that scheme? Who can help implement that scheme better than a All-Pro who's played in it his entire career?

lee909 04-07-2017 09:29 AM

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I generally find alot of people shouting they want tough players who will compete. But them players especially at CB/WR etc come with a attitude in the majority of cases and then they dont want them.

If my teams CB is blanket covering a WR and making picks he can talk as much smack as he likes.

This team could have done with a few Richard Sherman/Steve Smith types the last few years. They will go out there and fight and bleed for you.

There is a big difference to them and the attitude Galette had.

rezburna 04-07-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 744056)
I generally find alot of people shouting they want tough players who will compete. But them players especially at CB/WR etc come with a attitude in the majority of cases and then they dont want them.

If my teams CB is blanket covering a WR and making picks he can talk as much smack as he likes.

This team could have done with a few Richard Sherman/Steve Smith types the last few years. They will go out there and fight and bleed for you.

There is a big difference to them and the attitude Galette had.

I agree. It seems like people want bad asses but not the attitude that comes with it.

Utah_Saint 04-07-2017 11:10 AM

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I found this article from a couple years ago. While I believe the numbers are accurate when considering the position groups in general, I don't think it applies to any specific individual.

Position - Peak Age Range
Tackles - 25-31
Centers - 26-32
Quarterbacks - 26-30
Guards - 26-29
Wide Receivers - 25-27
Tight Ends - 25-27
Running Backs - 24-27


These are the ages at which the average Joe NFL player starts to see a drop off in overall performance. But it would be foolhardy to try to apply this to any individual player.

Aging Curve for NFL Offensive Players: Every Single Position

dizzle88 04-07-2017 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 744056)
I generally find alot of people shouting they want tough players who will compete. But them players especially at CB/WR etc come with a attitude in the majority of cases and then they dont want them.

If my teams CB is blanket covering a WR and making picks he can talk as much smack as he likes.

This team could have done with a few Richard Sherman/Steve Smith types the last few years. They will go out there and fight and bleed for you.

There is a big difference to them and the attitude Galette had.

Precisely.

The fire that Jeremy Shockey brought to the team was phenomenal, I still think he was one of the main reasons our offense was so physical in 09.

Utah_Saint 04-07-2017 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 744060)
I agree. It seems like people want bad asses but not the attitude that comes with it.

Almost like wanting a hot chick that can cook too.

But to your point, speaking only for myself, I'd like a bad ass that isn't a dumb ass.

K Major 04-07-2017 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 744068)
Almost like wanting a hot chick that can cook too.

But to your point, speaking only for myself, I'd like a bad ass that isn't a dumb ass.

Put me in the boat that Richard is a smart bad ass. I mean he has an extremely high football IQ. At this point I'd take Sherman or Butler on my team. Not enough dawgs in the secondary.

Utah_Saint 04-07-2017 12:23 PM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 744071)
Put me in the boat that Richard is a smart bad ass. I mean he has an extremely high football IQ. At this point I'd take Sherman or Butler on my team. Not enough dawgs in the secondary.

Agreed. I'd take Sherman in a heartbeat. He's a loudmouth but he's not a dumbass. There is a difference. When I say dumbass, I'm thinking about guys like

Prince Shembo, Micheal Vick, Greg Hardy...

Guys that didn't know the difference.

vpheughan 04-08-2017 06:56 AM

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George Blanda a 43 year old QB in 1970 had a great 5 game run at QB and PK played 5 more years as a full time "last of the straight ahead style kickers". retired at 48

4everSaint 04-09-2017 12:10 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 744108)
George Blanda a 43 year old QB in 1970 had a great 5 game run at QB and PK played 5 more years as a full time "last of the straight ahead style kickers". retired at 48

Cool story, how does that apply to this century?

4everSaint 04-09-2017 12:15 AM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 744065)
I found this article from a couple years ago. While I believe the numbers are accurate when considering the position groups in general, I don't think it applies to any specific individual.

Position - Peak Age Range
Tackles - 25-31
Centers - 26-32
Quarterbacks - 26-30
Guards - 26-29
Wide Receivers - 25-27
Tight Ends - 25-27
Running Backs - 24-27


These are the ages at which the average Joe NFL player starts to see a drop off in overall performance. But it would be foolhardy to try to apply this to any individual player.

Aging Curve for NFL Offensive Players: Every Single Position

Utah provided the info I was looking for. Thanks man!

Rugby Saint II 04-11-2017 12:57 PM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
The O-line gets to play the longest besides QB. That is pretty cool considering they are the trench players.

Utah_Saint 04-11-2017 01:20 PM

Re: Average age of decline for position players outside of QB and RB?
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 744386)
The O-line gets to play the longest besides QB. That is pretty cool considering they are the trench players.

The article mentions "speed dependent" positions decline sooner than those that aren't. Makes sense.


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