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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by spkb25 Nothing, but where you "expect" I hope and evaluate realistically where the team is at. We are definitely more talented right now and headed in the right direction. Sometimes (and this my opin of 06) it ...

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Old 06-03-2017, 11:20 AM   #1
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Re: Six franchises heading downhill

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Nothing, but where you "expect" I hope and evaluate realistically where the team is at. We are definitely more talented right now and headed in the right direction. Sometimes (and this my opin of 06) it is more important that you win than anything else. Winning somehow breeds winning, and losing somehow does the same thing. So I'd like to see us win a few games early instead of this 0-2 or 0-4 **** SP and the team has provided recently.




You gain being realistic, if all you do is polish **** sandwiches all day people will keep handing you a **** sandwich. But if you evaluate the **** sandwich and see how you can improve it maybe in a few years you're eating an angus burger. Like I said, just putting a positive spin on everything does nothing, absolutely nothing. There is a slow movement to stop that because companies are finding nothing is improving and everyone is scared to face the difficulties the company faces. Complaining is different than being honest. I am just not going to run around and be full of crap because it is positive and I can pretend I live at willy wonkas house and my **** sandwich is good.
If you were the GM of the team your logic may be correct. But, just like me, you are nothing but a fan and have no ability to ever affect the success of the team. A fan can analyse day and night and it will never change anything. While you may only have a **** sandwich, I have that angus burger already because I glean as much positive entertainment value out of the game as I possibly can. NOT putting a positive spin on everything as a fan does nothing, absolutely nothing. Since being critical, or negative, as a fan has no more of an impact on the final outcome than being positive, I choose the healthier approach of positive thinking.

You are only spinning your wheels, pissing into the wind, et cetera, thinking that you can ever change your **** sandwich into anything else if you feel you truly have a **** sandwich.


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Old 06-03-2017, 02:56 PM   #2
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If you were the GM of the team your logic may be correct. But, just like me, you are nothing but a fan and have no ability to ever affect the success of the team.
Not true. Coaches are fired due to fans, lose enough and lose your job.


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A fan can analyse day and night and it will never change anything. While you may only have a **** sandwich, I have that angus burger already because I glean as much positive entertainment value out of the game as I possibly can.
Oh that just means you accept losing and eat it and enjoy, that sucks bro.

NOT putting a positive spin on everything as a fan does nothing, absolutely nothing. Since being critical, or negative, as a fan has no more of an impact on the final outcome than being positive, I choose the healthier approach of positive thinking.
Being honest, huge difference, and again coaches lose their job when the fan gets loud enough.


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You are only spinning your wheels, pissing into the wind, et cetera, thinking that you can ever change your **** sandwich into anything else if you feel you truly have a **** sandwich.
Let's just pretend that as a fan I have no way to change anything, completely wrong (it may be indirect), but sure I will play, doesn't mean I need to eat that **** sandwich with you and pretend I am eating an angus burger. This isn't shallow hal and we're ****ing fatties pretending they're hott, lmao. I mean by all means enjoy yourself while you do.



Sean been losing a lot lately and a whole ton of people have been losing their job. They call that recognizing your ass is going soon too if you keep on losing, and it is I am healthier than you boss so being critical is completely acceptable and beneficial.

Your team stinks
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Old 06-03-2017, 05:18 PM   #3
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Not true. Coaches are fired due to fans, lose enough and lose your job.



Being honest, huge difference, and again coaches lose their job when the fan gets loud enough.




Let's just pretend that as a fan I have no way to change anything, completely wrong (it may be indirect), but sure I will play, doesn't mean I need to eat that **** sandwich with you and pretend I am eating an angus burger. This isn't shallow hal and we're ****ing fatties pretending they're hott, lmao. I mean by all means enjoy yourself while you do.



Sean been losing a lot lately and a whole ton of people have been losing their job. They call that recognizing your ass is going soon too if you keep on losing, and it is I am healthier than you boss so being critical is completely acceptable and beneficial.
You suffer from a grossly inflated image of self-worth as a fan. You have zero impact. Nothing. Zip. Nada. No fan, or group of fans, have ever cost any coach a job, nor have they had any tangible impact on any meaningful decision concerning any NFL franchise.

I now understand your angst. You are living under the illusion that you can somehow guide the direction of the team that you love by personally working harder to come up with solutions to their problems. You have nothing to look forward to but further frustration because your solutions are never applied by those who truly make those decisions.

Funny how I never have envisioned **** sandwiches, yet you are seemingly obsessed with the analogy. Perspective means so much in attitude.

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Old 06-03-2017, 06:19 PM   #4
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You suffer from a grossly inflated image of self-worth as a fan. You have zero impact. Nothing. Zip. Nada. No fan, or group of fans, have ever cost any coach a job, nor have they had any tangible impact on any meaningful decision concerning any NFL franchise.
You apparently do not understand the word indirect, you should look that up. That is why coordinators are let go prior to a HC being let go. They find a scape goat to offer up to the fans and provide a new excitement in the fan base. Then when that fails there goes the HC.

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I now understand your angst. You are living under the illusion that you can somehow guide the direction of the team that you love by personally working harder to come up with solutions to their problems. You have nothing to look forward to but further frustration because your solutions are never applied by those who truly make those decisions.
There is 0 angst. I don't believe that at all, what I believe is that when I see a **** product I call it a **** product. You live, and this is not hyperbole, under the delusion that these are the same Saints from 09-11, they aren't, and it hasn't been for quite some time. We are not a good team, we don't make the playoffs. I'll never forget you talking before a Monday night game where we got beat (last year) and you said wouldn't be surprised if we beat them by a large margin. That is the good old days bro, we used to destroy people on Monday night. Yes, we used to be the team that beat the brakes off of the Colts on MNF, we are not that anymore. You were way off as you generally are because you can't let go of what we were vs what we are. I understand hoping, getting excited. I do too. The difference is you talk in absolutes and talk about someone living under delusions you fancy yourself "on the inside" with your constant non-sense about how you know for an absolute fact SP will never be fired. Yeah okay. Keep losing and fans will make that happen.

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Funny how I never have envisioned **** sandwiches, yet you are seemingly obsessed with the analogy. Perspective means so much in attitude.
You're comfortable lying to yourself, I am not. You're not positive you just are scared you can't handle reality so you lie to yourself and create a world where the **** sandwich doesn't exist. This way you enjoy eating them, you're just lying to yourself.

I predicted oru record accurately last season during or after pre-season and we fell right into that sweet spot. This year I think we have a shot at the playoffs and I can't really be sure of that or more until I see what we look like in pre. I do like our potential at running the ball and offensively. D I am not sure of yet

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Old 06-03-2017, 08:13 PM   #5
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You apparently do not understand the word indirect, you should look that up. That is why coordinators are let go prior to a HC being let go. They find a scape goat to offer up to the fans and provide a new excitement in the fan base. Then when that fails there goes the HC.



There is 0 angst. I don't believe that at all, what I believe is that when I see a **** product I call it a **** product. You live, and this is not hyperbole, under the delusion that these are the same Saints from 09-11, they aren't, and it hasn't been for quite some time. We are not a good team, we don't make the playoffs. I'll never forget you talking before a Monday night game where we got beat (last year) and you said wouldn't be surprised if we beat them by a large margin. That is the good old days bro, we used to destroy people on Monday night. Yes, we used to be the team that beat the brakes off of the Colts on MNF, we are not that anymore. You were way off as you generally are because you can't let go of what we were vs what we are. I understand hoping, getting excited. I do too. The difference is you talk in absolutes and talk about someone living under delusions you fancy yourself "on the inside" with your constant non-sense about how you know for an absolute fact SP will never be fired. Yeah okay. Keep losing and fans will make that happen.



You're comfortable lying to yourself, I am not. You're not positive you just are scared you can't handle reality so you lie to yourself and create a world where the **** sandwich doesn't exist. This way you enjoy eating them, you're just lying to yourself.

I predicted oru record accurately last season during or after pre-season and we fell right into that sweet spot. This year I think we have a shot at the playoffs and I can't really be sure of that or more until I see what we look like in pre. I do like our potential at running the ball and offensively. D I am not sure of yet
I am happy for you that you predicted failure. I hope that was satisfying. Your whole diatribe there was just more of the same useless bull**** that can in no way affect what will or can happen. Keep being angry and bitter if that is what you choose. I am seeing nothing but complete success in out team's upcoming season.

It is you that is lying to yourself. Nothing you do can affect the success of the team. Nothing. You can continue to wallow in your cesspool of negativity if you choose. Enjoy it! Whoop-ti-doo!



For myself, I will continue looking toward the positive.

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I am happy for you that you predicted failure. I hope that was satisfying. Your whole diatribe there was just more of the same useless bull**** that can in no way affect what will or can happen. Keep being angry and bitter if that is what you choose. I am seeing nothing but complete success in out team's upcoming season.

It is you that is lying to yourself. Nothing you do can affect the success of the team. Nothing. You can continue to wallow in your cesspool of negativity if you choose. Enjoy it! Whoop-ti-doo!



For myself, I will continue looking toward the positive.
Cool, then wager they're going to win the super bowl and will it with your magical positive unicorn powers. How much are you willing to bet? Uh oh, did the positive rainbow train just make a stop and you got off in reality...?
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Cool, then wager they're going to win the super bowl and will it with your magical positive unicorn powers. How much are you willing to bet? Uh oh, did the positive rainbow train just make a stop and you got off in reality...?
I only bet on absolutes. There are too many factors involved in that. I did make the bet with a fellow member here last season when he said the Saints wouldn't win more than six games. Now that was what I saw as an absolute. Do I truly believe that the Saints can win the SB this season? Yes. Do I know for sure? Absolutely not. And I also know that there is absolutely nothing you or I could do that would make their chances any better, or worse, this season or in any future season. Therefore, I choose to remain positive, which is something that I do have control over.


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