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I know we are past the draft and many of us are or at least some of us are content with our draft picks...that's all right with me to each his own, OK Cool. But, I cant help but think we REALLY missed on some FUTURE DL this year. Only time will tell, but history show the guys we actually drafted at the DL positions won't be around for long. This was a Very Nice DL class. I'm hoping one of the picks become at least 5+ Sack guy assuming they wont be the "everydown" starter just yet. Im hoping that Im proved wrong. Because that guy from Michigan was there and multiple others and we passed for "projects". IJS Saints did what the Saints do settle in regards to drafting that is.

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We got a steal at 11, a steal at 32. Probably one of the closest Sharper clones at 42.

Was Kamara with it? Time will tell.

Anzalone? Could be a monster LB for us. Worth the investment at 76.

I don't know why people aren't happy.

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Yea Im not questioning the Marshon Lattimore selection Morse so the Kamara Pick Anzalone Pick n those 2 DL we got because everyone took good pieces(DL)(LB) and we waited and was left with the scraps.

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We did wind up getting major value for our picks. It's over now so we can only look forward. Most people hated the Michael Thomas pick last year but aren't complaining now.

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Right but you have to look back to make sure you dont make the same mistakes goong forward. And the Saints put defense on the backburner in my eyes. I didnt see too many people complaining about the Mike Thomas pick. And I wouldnt compare Mikes expectations to that of Anzalones so to speak.

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I really don't know many who aren't happy.

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Exactly. I think we got excellent value for our picks and let's see what Hendrickson brings us. I have read comparisons to JJ Watt, Shaq Lawson, Rob Ninkovich, etc.

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To gain one, you lose another. That's just the way it goes. I'll put my faith for now in the new folk who actually did the selections. All draft choices are crap shoots and we always have to keep in mind who we already have on the team.

It's stretching it a bit to say the guys we picked aren't going to be around for long while the guys we didn't pick will be...

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Anzalone. Teams are going to feel like they're playing against a brick wall

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Are you speaking of Peppers or that "Taco" Bueno kid?

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I see both of them as more of a gamble than Hendrickson where we picked him up. Both Peppers and Charleton are described as "tweeners". Peeppers doesn't have a defined position at all and Taco is too small for a DE and too slow for a OLB. While either, or both, may end up being solid, why waste an early pick on either when you feel really good about what you have on your board.

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Tamba Hali is out there on his social media right now sounding like he wants out of Kansas City if you think we need a short-term upgrade at DE across from Jordan.

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I think Okafor is the plan coming off the edge opposite Cam for 2017. Then there is Kikaha (hopefully 100%), Gwachum, Trey & Muhammad.

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Niether The Spartans Malik McDowell I think his name is

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Who in their right mind is comparing Hendrickson to Watt? They dont even play the same position different size what is there to compare? Rob Ninkovich sounds like a realistic comparison but out of those three thats where I would stop.

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I dont think you fully understood my post. "Being Around" was being on the Saints team NOT the Nfl. And I never said the other players would be around longer, but I dont think its a stretch to say a player that was clearly better than another playing the same positon will have a longer stay in the League. Actually makes all the sense in the world.

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Trey Hendrickson would have been available in the 4th or 5th rd I believe. We got him in the 3rd correct?

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My thing is was the formula used to improve the defense remained the same. That obviously hasnt worked for us. So Im hoping I am 100% wrong. Im not going to be sold on this defense until week 4 or 5. Ive had enough kool-aid. Im going to try some water instead aka Reality. You all can think and believe what you want thats your right as a person. I have no issues with that, but Im not buying what the Saints are selling defensively not just yet at least. Hypebeast no longer. Im waiting for consistency before I stand by a Saints defense.

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I get Davis Tull feeling when I watch him play.

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39th pick of the 3rd round, so essentially 7th after the end of round three.

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Right, was Trey Hendrickson a "steal"? I dont think so. We could have had him in the 4th or 5th rd. We missed on some real solid potential. I just dont want this to be a regret draft.

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We passed on Derek Rivers Tim Williams Terrel Basham Duke Riley Malik McDowell Daeshon Hall and Jordan Willis. For Alvin Kamara Alex Anzalone and Trey Hendrickson, Ok.

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There were better value for those picks. Oh yea and Carl Lawson.

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I watched his tape at the Senior bowl and Trey played well. He kind of dismissed my concerns about "small school/level of competition" debate. Good attitude, little to no injury history and is durable.

Hitting on guys in rounds 3-6 could take this team to new heights. Trey could end up a diamond in the rough. We should judge this pick a few years from now.

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And we could have HASSON REDDICK RIGHT NOW!

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He played ok, showed his first burst n quickness at the get off, limited pass rush moves tight in the hips, rushes too high, the one sack I did see came from the RB chipping the OL. I feel like we passed on SOME 3down starters for a 3 a 3rd down player. At least for this year.

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Ugh. I'm so bored! Longest off season ever! How much ****ing longer?!!!

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We passed on Rivers to draft the best player available at a position Sean absolutely needs to make his offense click. Good so far.

Passed on Williams an LB who only managed to start two games his senior year because just maybe he lika the ganja just a bit too much for a high ceiling guy who had the misfortune to break his arm. Still all good.

Basham? I'll almost give you that one, but had AA not broken his arm, he would've been rated way above Basham in the draft. I'll call that one a wash and that's still okay.

Riley? He's from LSU and we all know how the Saints feel about that. He only had one year to show what he had. Everyone can throw out exceptions to the undersized LB thing, but most don't make it for long in the NFL.

All kinds of red flags about Malik. The boy's known to go on vacation in the middle of plays, quarters and entire games. Still very ok.

Now Hall would've been a solid pick. I'm thinking the staff felt their DL was sitting pretty good with who they had on both the player and coaching side and needed a good LB at that point more than a DL.

Willis was in the wrong place. He would've been an okay pick for us, but Sean needed his joker back at 67 then he was gone by the time our next pick came around. Again, he's more sized to play LB than DE and I'm still thinking AA has a much higher ceiling than anyone else available at that spot. Especially now that we have a coach that can actually do his job.

So yeah, I totally agree with you. We did OKAY with our draft choices there. We'll know for sure in the not too distant future.

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A lot ****ing longer!

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Oh the Spartan. At 11 he would have been a reach ... I had concerns even at 32. He had too many question marks about his desire and work ethic. Too many past performances where scouts question his motivation & consistency. I believe Malik would be better in a 3-4 D. Didn't appear to be a "fit" in NO anyway.

For me personally, I'd stay away from guys with questionable effort anywhere in the draft.

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And none of them have played a single down in the NFL. Wait three years before making those proclamations.

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So how can you say we got the best value at those spots in the draft? Our players havent played a down either. A little contradiction there. Also Malik McDowell was THE ONLY player worth drafting on that terible defense I mean he did play EVERY DL pos also Taco was said to "take plays off" didnt hurt his stock, and every other player has red flags NO PLAYERis perfect. I actually watched Game tape on Malik I disagree with takes plays off, but you know to each his own.

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According to draft "experts" we got value at every pick. How they actually turn out there is no way to know. We'll find out well down the road for most. Although, I hope there is a Michael Thomas or two which shine early.

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There's no "best" in any draft until three-four years down the road. Pretty good is about as far as it goes and we did that. We didn't hit every position you thought we should've, but there are only so many draft picks and we had a boatload of areas to address. I watch a lot of B1G football through the year and I agree that Taco does take a lot of vacations too. I was glad we didn't take either of the Michigan hyped up food groups. I really didn't see that much special in Malik. He dominated the lesser lines, but he'd often disappear when he was up against good talent. Shoot, look at the head to head of the Spartans vs the Badgers last year. He had one tackle and one assist. Not only was nobody home, the lights weren't even on.

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How can it be that "They haven't played a down ......judge after 3 years.
YET "EXPERTS" declare them "Great Value" when selected?
Seems the "Experts" left out an important word. "Potential"

So you can "Have your cake" and "Eat it too"!
Potentially of course!

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In my days I've run across a lot of real estate agents who love that word "potential".

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Exactly. At this point there is ONLY potential.