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jeanpierre 07-30-2017 05:00 PM
Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense
 

SmashMouth 07-30-2017 05:03 PM
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spkb25 07-30-2017 05:08 PM
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Pressure up front will go along way toward helping that too

Audiotom 07-30-2017 05:17 PM
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On Paper

I hope this transfers to the field
And we stay injury free

I recall Byrd being the second coming
Not that long ago

ChrisXVI 07-30-2017 05:32 PM
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Learn how zone coverage works first.

jeanpierre 07-30-2017 05:52 PM
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Marcus Williams (bad pursuit angles) and Vonn Bell (getting burnt deep) are having their problems early in training camp...

I suspect they'll have some personal time with Dennis Allen, who's position specialty was safeties; Raphael Bush could always start as FS as well...

We're running alot of two deep safety looks; I suspect that's also because of the LBer depth, talent level...

ChrisXVI 07-30-2017 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 756723)
Marcus Williams (bad pursuit angles) and Vonn Bell (getting burnt deep) are having their problems early in training camp...

I suspect they'll have some personal time with Dennis Allen, who's position specialty was safeties; Raphael Bush could always start as FS as well...

We're running alot of two deep safety looks; I suspect that's also because of the LBer depth, talent level...
Kenny Vacarro has been nonexistent too so far in training camp. It's early still but all this cover 2 is square peg-round hole stuff.

foreverfan 07-30-2017 06:00 PM
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jeanpierre 07-30-2017 06:04 PM
Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 756724)
Kenny Vacarro has been nonexistent too so far in training camp. It's early still but all this cover 2 is square peg-round hole stuff.
I don't know, Chris, just because we're not hearing Vacarro's name doesn't mean a bad thing...though I'd agree I'd like to hear about the occasional INT or FF...

jeanpierre 07-30-2017 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 756724)
Kenny Vacarro has been nonexistent too so far in training camp. It's early still but all this cover 2 is square peg-round hole stuff.
I'll say this about Cover-2, don't know if it's the answer or more just better execution, but I'd thought we'd run more Cover 2 ...

...especially to stop this bullshinski the past couple of seasons of allowing waaaay too much 3rd and long conversions...

ChrisXVI 07-30-2017 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 756729)
I don't know, Chris, just because we're not hearing Vacarro's name doesn't mean a bad thing...though I'd agree I'd like to hear about the occasional INT or FF...
It's early still so you're right- it isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just worry a little bit that Marcus Williams may be our only safety who does well in zone and he's a rookie who will make mistakes.

jeanpierre 07-30-2017 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 756733)
It's early still so you're right- it isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just worry a little bit that Marcus Williams may be our only safety who does well in zone and he's a rookie who will make mistakes.
You're right, it's early; and even Williams has struggled in Zone as well taking pore vectors in his pursuit angles...

It's like Klein said, a poor practice tape is a good learning tape; and they're doing this early so they have time to remedy...

jeanpierre 07-30-2017 08:31 PM
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Early going: Five (5) Safeties - Kenny Vaccaro, Vonn Bell, Marcus Williams, Raphael Bush, Chris Banjo...

Erik Harris needs to step up...

jeanpierre 07-30-2017 08:32 PM
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Early going: Six (6) Cornerbacks - Lattimore, Breaux, Williams, Crawley

Next group - Moore, Maulet

Final spot - Harris and Swann

Rough start for Swann, but he's picked it up...

Moore and Maulet have to show higher ceilings...

Harris needs to take the next step...

jeanpierre 07-30-2017 08:34 PM
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Seems like we've struggled running the Zone Defense since we lost Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter...

...What are those guys doing now?

jeanpierre 07-30-2017 08:34 PM
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Casting a cautious eye on some of these deep balls that Vonn Bell seems to be late getting over to help...

Especially now that they're practicing in Cover 2 and he has half the field now that he's responsible...

It's early, and I'm sure D.A. and Bell will get it fixed because I don't want another season of not getting off the field on 3rd downs...

Crusader 07-30-2017 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 756724)
Kenny Vacarro has been nonexistent too so far in training camp. It's early still but all this cover 2 is square peg-round hole stuff.
Well there is this clip of him getting leveled by Warford...

The Dude 07-30-2017 10:56 PM
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This is what they say every year and if we can't get to the QB it doesn't matter much who is back there. Health and pressure up front improve and we immedietly jump out of the cellar in pass defense. How far is yet to be seen.
Man I remember after the draft asking myself how many safeties can we possibly need. Looks like the FO went after what we needed after all.
Looked like we were going to have quality depth there.
Someone will step up.

nola_swammi 07-30-2017 11:49 PM
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My concern about Maulet is I (think) refs going to be throwing flags on him for holding or pass interference. I like that aggression but I'll like to see how he play zone. Do he have the burst and instinct to make plays by playing off coverage

AsylumGuido 07-31-2017 01:51 PM
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neugey 07-31-2017 02:09 PM
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Maybe they are working on Cover 2 a lot because that is what we are weakest at, but we need to be able to mix it in every now and then in game situations so we are not predictable and staying in man all game. Not worried about the square peg/round hole just yet.

jlaw8920 07-31-2017 02:17 PM
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And it begins again.. hopefully its just the heat?

|Mitch| 07-31-2017 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jlaw8920 (Post 756835)
https://twitter.com/MikeTriplett/sta...69972863791104

And it begins again.. hopefully its just the heat?
He walked off unassisted, couldn't have been too serious...

hagan714 07-31-2017 08:55 PM
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they have to stay healthy long enough to start gelling as a unit.

dizzle88 08-01-2017 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 756832)
I'm cautious about Crawley, he did the exact same thing last training camp but couldn't make the plays in games where it truly counted.

spkb25 08-01-2017 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 756889)
I'm cautious about Crawley, he did the exact same thing last training camp but couldn't make the plays in games where it truly counted.
We have to see who he is making the plays against, right? Like making star studded plays against 2nd and 3 string qb and receivers is not as impressive as against the first string guys

halloween 65 08-01-2017 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 756892)
We have to see who he is making the plays against, right? Like making star studded plays against 2nd and 3 string qb and receivers is not as impressive as against the first string guys
I do like Moore and Banjo. Tough players for the secondary. Our secondary has played like crap a few years, hurt or not, still like crap, no depth to speak of, hopefully this changes.

jeanpierre 08-05-2017 05:19 AM
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Little concerned about the dinks and dings with these kids, would like to see them toughen up a whole lot more...

AsylumGuido 08-05-2017 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757447)
Little concerned about the dinks and dings with these kids, would like to see them toughen up a whole lot more...
Perhaps Payton is using new approach. Instead of having players work through some of these minor issues he is letting them heal before putting them back out there ... at least during the preseason. A player could probably practice on a "tweaked" knee, but it could cause more issues.

WillMacKenzie 08-05-2017 11:15 AM
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I've been really struggling to find a leap from Vonn Bell. Call me crazy but I think he's in real trouble, especially with Bush and Harris returning.

Just a gut feeling that he needs to put up or shut up right quick like.

WillMacKenzie 08-05-2017 11:20 AM
Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 756751)
Casting a cautious eye on some of these deep balls that Vonn Bell seems to be late getting over to help...

Especially now that they're practicing in Cover 2 and he has half the field now that he's responsible...

It's early, and I'm sure D.A. and Bell will get it fixed because I don't want another season of not getting off the field on 3rd downs...
Definitely noticing a hesitation or misstep that's really costing him (and the whole defense) those precious few moments that make the difference between getting off the field and getting gashed for another 1st or worse, a score.

jeanpierre 08-06-2017 06:22 AM
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For me, the guy's who's development is most important this season is Marcus Williams...

I don't think we'll see many heavy nickel sets (3-safeties) as we've now got legit linebackers on the roster...

So he and Bell will have to compete and I believe Williams is the better athlete, playmaker that we need there...

If Bell continues to progress along his arc, then you may not forced to spend as much on Vaccaro's contract...

Gotta feeling Vaccaro, though, is going to be like Ingram on offense, where he really doesn't get it till after Year 5...

Then, you almost have to recoup your investment...

Rugby Saint II 08-06-2017 01:55 PM
Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 756748)
Early going: Five (5) Safeties - Kenny Vaccaro, Vonn Bell, Marcus Williams, Raphael Bush, Chris Banjo...

Erik Harris needs to step up...
Why do you like Banjo over Harris?

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 756749)
Early going: Six (6) Cornerbacks - Lattimore, Breaux, Williams, Crawley

Next group - Moore, Maulet

Final spot - Harris and Swann

Rough start for Swann, but he's picked it up...

Moore and Maulet have to show higher ceilings...

Harris needs to take the next step...
Why do you like Moore and Maulet over Harris and Swann?:idea:

The Dude 08-06-2017 03:01 PM
Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 757648)
Why do you like Banjo over Harris?



Why do you like Moore and Maulet over Harris and Swann?:idea:
Moore is proven, durable, consistent, and brings a little leadership to the position.
He's not a pro bowler and probably never will be but you can usually count on him.
Swann just has injury issues so who knows what the call is there. Probably be a last minute decision between the two.
I think Moore is pretty safe unless he gets hurt. He's a good insurance policy.

hagan714 08-06-2017 03:34 PM
Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense
 
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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 757480)
I've been really struggling to find a leap from Vonn Bell. Call me crazy but I think he's in real trouble, especially with Bush and Harris returning.

Just a gut feeling that he needs to put up or shut up right quick like.
This stood out more than I thought it would last year were as he did a better job at tackling than I expected.

I fear we now have two safeties with the same skill set.

Are Kenny and Von are two peas in a pod?

Time will tell

The Dude 08-06-2017 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 756834)
Maybe they are working on Cover 2 a lot because that is what we are weakest at, but we need to be able to mix it in every now and then in game situations so we are not predictable and staying in man all game. Not worried about the square peg/round hole just yet.
I head several players say their focus will be man to man more this year. I agree the emphasis on cover 2 is because they need extra work there to be more complete.

|Mitch| 08-06-2017 10:19 PM
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And a lot more press from what I hear


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