He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities
 

He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities

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BY NICK UNDERHILL | NUNDERHILL@THEADVOCATE.COM
AUG 8, 2017 - 2:54 PM

Aaron Glenn doesn’t want to put Kenny Vaccaro in a box.

He wasn't referring to the area of the football field known as the box, where the Saints safety has built a reputation as one of the better safeties in the NFL. Glenn, the Saints' secondary coach, meant the figurative box: He and the coaching staff do not want to limit themselves by thinking Vaccaro can only do one thing. They want to keep the lid open for new possibilities.

One of those is coming to fruition at training camp: Vaccaro has started to log snaps at free safety, which might be the last item left on his checklist. If you look at his list of responsibilities from last season, there were times when he played strong safety, nickel cornerback, linebacker and as a pressure player.

So, it would be all but impossible to put Vaccaro in a box, because the options on how to use him are already seemingly limitless. Adding free safety to the menu just creates more options.

“We want him to be an all-around safety,” Glenn said. “For him to be as effective as he can be, he has to be able to play back deep. He’s been doing that better.”

Don’t expect Vaccaro to stop doing all of the things he did last year to piece together what might have been his best NFL season before being suspended for the final four games. He’s still going to be moving around the box, creating havoc for the opposing offense. What this tweak means is that the Saints will just be a little bit more flexible at safety.

When the team shows a two-safety shell with Vaccaro playing alongside rookie Marcus Williams or Vonn Bell, it will allow the players to be more interchangeable. At the snap, either player can drop deep or move down in the box, making the defense harder to read.

But this job is mostly new to Vaccaro. He has played almost exclusively in the box in New Orleans, the lone exception being when he played deep in a two-safety look at times during the 2014 season. So he’s trying to do everything he can to learn the spot and ...

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Dennis Allen is once again using the defensive version of Payton's offensive philosophy ... versatility in personnel packages. With Vaccaro on the field along with two other safeties, a very common package, the offense will not know if he will being utilized as the traditional SS, a nickel, or even as a LB in base 4-3 set. That gives more versatility in defensing an offense with multiple set possibilities. Combine that with the versatility of the LB corps with the "cross-training" approach that Nolan is taking and the talk of a NASCAR package on the D-line using three DE's with Okafor moving inside, this defense could really surprise.

I am getting excited.

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He's not all that. If he has to cover a #2 reciever without help, might as well count on him getting beat. A big TE with speed will eat him up. A traditional SS he is never going to be. I don't see what people see in Vaccarro, not a game changer before and want be now.

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I respectfully disagree with just about everything in this post. I think he's been a bright spot on an otherwise horrible defense for the last few years. He's been pretty good in coverage for a SS and he's definitely not afraid to lay people out. He may not be the best SS in the league but he's not a liability. I'm pretty sure Matt Ryan watches out for him even when Vaccaro is on the bench.

But that's just my 2¢.

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The vast majority of the safeties in the NFL can't cover a #2 receiver one on one.

Re: He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities
 

Kenny has his limitations but he's a solid player. Will Von Bell make him expendable? Not if he's a necessary chess piece and we can't do better. Personally, I thought he would be a better player when we drafted him. He hasn't let me down but I had higher expectations.

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Don't forget he started under Rob Ryan who managed to make every defensive player look bad and last year He was forced to play in a backfield with a different pair of CB's virtually every week. DB coach Aaron Glenn said something along the lines of communication being vital in the defensive backfield and that takes playing together regularly. He said much of the problems last season dealt with lack of communication.

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4 years so far Kenny has shown little to nothing. I'll admit he did well enough his 1st and only good year in covering slot recievers and backs out of the backfield but thats about it, regressed 2nd, 3rd and 4th, stone hands and doesn't diagnose plays all that well. Being on a pitiful D sometimes makes a player(s) look better than what they really are. He's in his final year of his rookie contract and will be looking for big bucks, I in no way shape or form think he should even sniff a big contract with the overall inconsistant player he has been. Another question I have was it his actual play last season or the adderall buzzing him around? D+ player so far in my book.

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The adderall was a one time mistake. He is now on the program and gets tested up to ten times a month year round. He is the least likely person on the team, next to Brees, to get busted for anything like that again.

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How would you know if it was a one time mistake? Would it be because Kenny boy said? Not so sure about 10 times a month, thats every 3 days which is highly doubtful + if he took it before a game and didn't get tested for 3 days it's out of his system. I pee test all the time along with other guys, some clean, some dirty and EVERYONE, clean or dirty know how to beat a pee test. A 6,8,or 10 panel test would be no problem passing. Some even use other guys pee or synthetic to pass those test, unless blood is drawn, hair folicle, or spinal tap is done pee test are pretty much a joke. I do know a guy that was definately dirty that got by on a hair folicle by buying some kind of gel at a place called Claires.

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If you believe he is a chronic Adderall user you might be interested to know that Adderall can be detected in a common urine test a week after use. The source for that is here.

And yes, the NFL routinely does testing up to ten times per month especially on new offenders. And they are totally random tests at any time of day in any location. And I guarantee you he is tested before every game. And the CBA testing standards require the tester to witness the sample given. If the player is not available it counts as a failed test. It would be impossible to use and not get caught under those parameters.

I know you are a Vaccaro hater, but you have to search somewhere else for a reason to hate.

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he is a pest and a good pest at that.

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Lmao Kill. I was thinking that too, Like....well damn! When did SS start checking #2 WR let alone with NO help.

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And how and the hell would you know this? I don't care about adderol or anything he did in the past as long as it doesn't happen again. There is no way anyone could know weather or not it will happen again. To say he is the least likely player to do it again is asinine. What about the other players who haven't gotten busted for anything? Do you honestly think a player with no history is more likely to do it than a player who has already done it?
I love how sure of everything you are.

And I hope all the shuffling and "versatility" we are hearing about isn't just the coaches trying to cover up areas that are lacking or weak.

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Exactly. Now that he knows he can expect them coming he knows he has to cover his ass every time. Nobody ever gets caught the first time they do something. This was just the first time he got caught.
I wouldn't sweat it. Guido knows absolutely nothing about the real world. He only regurgitates everything he reads in articles. He's a sheep that believes anything he hears in the media.
I doubt the NFL puts much into their drug testing policy anyway. Yea you have to pop a player or two every now and then and make an example but they don't want the negative publicity and bad for business. Just enough to make it appear that they are doing all they can.
And what the hell dies this have to do with Brees? He never failed one so I don't know where again comes from.
What a clueless douche.

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I agree and have been beating the drum for freaks at their positions no matter team needs. Last year was OJ Howard

Freak Modern Day SS with coverage skills have always been on my list despite Kenny and still dieappointed we did not go after them.
2016 Sean Davis SS
2014 Deone Bucannon SS

next year does not look as freaky. So an early pick on SS is doubtful but not out of the question
Ronnie Harrison, SS Alabama 6011 214 4.57 #15 Jr

This the the one I am keeping a close eye on as a possible Day 3 steal
Kyzir White SS/OLB West Virginia 6025 215 4.56 #8 Sr

I am not happy with SS play and have not been for while. I miss Roman still but he does not fit the modern day SS either. He was better than anything we have now.

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I was going to say to him don't believe everything he reads but sometimes for just letting it go I stop posting for the sake of arguement. If he believes it then there is little to nothing to change his way of thinking.

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I beat the drum for Bucannon that draft. Would have loved Davis also.

Re: He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities
 

I think that happened with our safeties the past two-three years although maybe not by design...

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I know you have trouble comprehending, but what part of 10 random tests per month at any time of day and place do you not understand? Now why would you take Adderall? Perhaps to improve your game day performance? When a player is in the program they get tested EVERY game day. He is the most closely monitored player on the team now. That makes him the least likely. Unlike some idiots that constantly get busted for pot, Vaccaro isn't stupid. He has learned from his mistake. He has stressed the very fact.

And it doesn't surprise me that you would come up with some negative connotation for the "versatility". It's how you roll.

;)

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Exactly how does he cover his ass? What part of random do you not understand? The ONLY way he can cover his ass is by not taking it at all. They could go a week without a test and then suddenly five days in a row. When a player is in the program a test can happen at any time. It can be in the middle of the night, It can be while they are out of town. Any time. Any where. Try doing a little research on the program. You have no clue about how it works. I think you have the clueless label wrong. I am sure you also know more about douches than me.

But, then again, I know you and you won't take the time to research something, especially knowing it would prove you wrong ... once again.

And I mentioned Brees lightheartedly because he is basically a saint. Or do you believe he also has skeletons in his closet. My bet is that you do. That is how you roll.

;)

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Who ever said anything about Vaccaro covering a #2 WR?

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Your love affair with Vaccarro must run deep!! Ever hear of a cb, blitz, who picks up the reciever, hell they even ask lineman to drop into coverage every now and then.

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I don't have to research drug tests. I've taken and beaten dozens of them. 8-10 times a month is predictable not randomn. You can beat a drug test easily, especially amphetimines. You know it's coming and do something about it immedietly. Unless they test him while he is on it that day he can easily piss clean. The likelihood of that happening is about the same as the likelihood he never does it again.
To have an attitude of absolution when pertaining to drug use is not only just ignorant but also part of why addiction is such a huge problem. People have that same head in the sand type of approach when it comes to their kids.

And everybody has skeletons in their closet buddy. Just ask you old lady

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Lol and you know this how? Do you have a source that you can point us to that proves it will never happen again?

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KV knew what he was doing. It wasn't an accident. That said, many many NFL players are doing some form of drug to help them on the field. There are millions of dollars on the line

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Believe whatever you want if it make you feel better. I'm sure Vaccaro is shooting up on a regular basis. :rolleyes: Why does it not surprise me that you expect the worst from everyone and everything. It's how you roll.

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Douche your colons people, douche your colons

Re: He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities
 

Strange this obsession of yours with colons. Maybe you should seek professional help.

Re: He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities
 

I like Vaccaro. He was actually having a very good season last year before he got popped for Adderall. He was one of our better defenders (not saying much on that defense I know).

I don't know where all the hate is coming from. Guess the 7-9 record makes everyone question every player. It's understandable I suppose.

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And adderol is a weak ass speed. He more than likely used it more for film study than performance on the field.
If the dude was coked out of his gourd like the players in the 80s that would be one thing but adderol isn't going to turn a turd into a probowler.

He did say he would never do it again and I believe him. People who use a drug usually don't lie. And he's a good boy so if he really planned to do it again he would come out and tell us.
I hear he eats all his vegatables too.

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I sent him a case of 5 hour energy from Costco. He's good...

Re: He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities
 

Talks is cheap, Do Your Job!

Re: He's a 'rock' star: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro is adding another item to his responsibilities
 

Well, this is encouraging...

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Practicing what he is preaching.

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Kenny had the situation with the suspension and he knew full well what he was doing, but the kid is never in trouble, works and plays hard and is a solid player for us. I don't think he gets enough credit for how good he is. He mad at least 3 significant plays against the browns. The other guy in the backend I think is WIlliams. I think he has better skills than Bell

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I'll be anxious to see how Kenny V performs in 2017.