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The Dude 08-11-2017 10:45 AM

Questions in players
 
Only caught most of the game.
What is your assessment of

Anthony
Alonzone
Our LB corps as a whole
Whoever is at center, specifically snaps
Kick return
Defensive ends?

Where do we seem to have decent depth (besides RB)
Where is depth lacking? I know we have to have to assess Oline but what else.

jnormand 08-11-2017 10:54 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
I wasn't able to catch the game either. Just been reading and watching highlights. But I think we have depth everywhere, it's just the quality. I really hope our CBs aren't hurt all preseason. Ridiculous.

And from what I'm hearing, LT is a major issue. Barnes and Harris are bad.

Papa Voodoo 08-11-2017 02:30 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
What about the LT we had from Pittsburgh? Not the best but serviceable.

Euphoria 08-11-2017 02:40 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
Its all in other threads.

hagan714 08-11-2017 02:52 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
Anthony and Alonzone had their flashes

Our LB corps as a whole it is too early to tell but a not bad rating works for me

Whoever is at center, specifically snaps The OL as a unit was a mess for the most part. So an incomplete applies

Kick return - hope?

Defensive ends looked solid enough

DBs really as a unit looks to be the issue. give them time to work as unit. Gel Time

K Major 08-11-2017 03:20 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 758550)

Kick return - hope?

I'd like to see TG Jr fielding a punt and/or kick return in pre season game #2. His stats were good in this phase of the game last season with the Kittens. I truly believe this (special teams play) is where he will help the Saints in 2017.

jnormand 08-11-2017 05:38 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 758561)
I'd like to see TG Jr fielding a punt and/or kick return in pre season game #2. His stats were good in this phase of the game last season with the Kittens. I truly believe this (special teams play) is where he will help the Saints in 2017.

Here's my question. Does Ginn ever muff punts or kicks? If not, how the hell can the guy be a reliable returner but drops passes? I understand that obviously, trajectory is completely different, but catching a punt/kick should be harder than catching a pass...at least it seems so.....

spkb25 08-11-2017 05:54 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
Not those guys but things I saw that caught my eye on people

Kamara- nuff said
TLL- Nuff said
GG- Nuff said
Nassib- like this kid. Got some moxy
Lasco- not impressed
Rookie Safety Williams- good instincts and made a few plays
KV- Couple of nice plays
Manti Teo- playing with some fire, good instincts gets to ball
Kikahah- nice rush
Chase- why...why?

K Major 08-11-2017 09:05 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 758587)
Here's my question. Does Ginn ever muff punts or kicks? If not, how the hell can the guy be a reliable returner but drops passes? I understand that obviously, trajectory is completely different, but catching a punt/kick should be harder than catching a pass...at least it seems so.....

Not nearly as often as he would with intermediate/short passes. He's always been a situational, butter fingered field stretcher. Unfortunate for the Saints, hands of stone won't get any better at this point of his career. It's been hit or miss with him over the years. Because of his Ginn's speed, he should have a role in Sean Payton's offense but those "drops" can become drive killers in real game situations.

Hopefully Fuller, Tommy L and Brandon step up so that we won't have to rely on TG Jr as much.

jnormand 08-12-2017 12:04 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 758618)
Not nearly as often as he would with intermediate/short passes. He's always been a situational, butter fingered field stretcher. Unfortunate for the Saints, hands of stone won't get any better at this point of his career. It's been hit or miss with him over the years. Because of his Ginn's speed, he should have a role in Sean Payton's offense but those "drops" can become drive killers in real game situations.

Hopefully Fuller, Tommy L and Brandon step up so that we won't have to rely on TG Jr as much.

So he'll basically just take the top off the defense and get thrown the ball when he's open? So he'll do what Cooks was supposed to do without *****ing that he didn't get the ball in a huge win.

spkb25 08-12-2017 12:43 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 758628)
So he'll basically just take the top off the defense and get thrown the ball when he's open? So he'll do what Cooks was supposed to do without *****ing that he didn't get the ball in a huge win.

Cooks was supposed to do...???? Cooks did what he was supposed to do.

cars4dylan 08-14-2017 08:39 AM

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If TLL can be comparable to Ginn's deep threat I say let him go. His pension to drop balls in games I don't think will garner him much favor thru pre-season. Only way I see him sticking is if our DBs get healthy prior to season opener and they can afford to carry an extra WR. That and he returns several KO/Punts to the house in 3 games.

I'm really hoping Nassib can pass GG. I like the guy and all but he's just not clicking and if you can't do so under Payton and Brees I don't have much hope for you being anything other than pedestrian in your career.

K Major 08-14-2017 08:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 758893)

I'm really hoping Nassib can pass GG. I like the guy and all but he's just not clicking and if you can't do so under Payton and Brees I don't have much hope for you being anything other than pedestrian in your career.

In my mind, Nassib is already the #3 and should get reps in practice this week to compete with Chase. GG simply don't have it. I hope the Saints cut him and move on.

Rugby Saint II 08-14-2017 01:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 758894)
In my mind, Nassib is already the #3 and should get reps in practice this week to compete with Chase. GG simply don't have it. I hope the Saints cut him and move on.

Well said sir......I've seen enough of GG and I'm not impressed. Nassib might make it onto the PS and that would be fine with me.

The Dude 08-14-2017 01:22 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 758628)
So he'll basically just take the top off the defense and get thrown the ball when he's open? So he'll do what Cooks was supposed to do without *****ing that he didn't get the ball in a huge win.

Well Cooks actually caught the ball.

The Dude 08-14-2017 07:37 PM

Re: Questions in players
 
I'll go ahead and say one of my bold predictions is that Ginn doesn't even make the team.

hagan714 08-15-2017 06:28 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 758561)
I'd like to see TG Jr fielding a punt and/or kick return in pre season game #2. His stats were good in this phase of the game last season with the Kittens. I truly believe this (special teams play) is where he will help the Saints in 2017.

If he drops passes as he always done in the NFL can you justify the cap hit? No team in the NFL has accepted the cap hit so far.

K Major 08-15-2017 08:25 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 758550)
Our LB corps as a whole it is too early to tell but a not bad rating works for me

I know it's super early but I was pleased at what I saw from them as a group. Teo' & Klein were often around the ball quickly.

spkb25 08-15-2017 08:34 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 758893)
If TLL can be comparable to Ginn's deep threat I say let him go. His pension to drop balls in games I don't think will garner him much favor thru pre-season. Only way I see him sticking is if our DBs get healthy prior to season opener and they can afford to carry an extra WR. That and he returns several KO/Punts to the house in 3 games.

I'm really hoping Nassib can pass GG. I like the guy and all but he's just not clicking and if you can't do so under Payton and Brees I don't have much hope for you being anything other than pedestrian in your career.

Yep and that is why people posting about how he had one drop and all that noise are ignored. Agree with you. I'd rather keep TLL. Dude's a gamer

spkb25 08-15-2017 08:36 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 759002)
I'll go ahead and say one of my bold predictions is that Ginn doesn't even make the team.

I have a bad feeling Ginn will be here no matter what

spkb25 08-15-2017 08:36 AM

Re: Questions in players
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 759081)
I know it's super early but I was pleased at what I saw from them as a group. Teo' & Klein were often around the ball quickly.

Agreed, I was too


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