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SmashMouth 08-20-2017 11:21 PM

5 Saints who helped, 5 who hurt their cause vs. Chargers
 
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WHO HELPED THEIR CAUSE

Alvin Kamara
One snap was all it took for the New Orleans Saints’ first third-round pick from the 2017 draft to reach the end zone. At this point, Kamara probably doesn’t need to touch the football anymore in a preseason game to help his cause.
Kamara took the team’s first offensive snap and jetted for a 50-yard touchdown. He showed patience to the hole created by Ryan Ramczyk, Andrus Peat and Josh Hill on the left side.
The versatile tailback also caught one pass for 22 yards on another play to highlight his speed and versatility. He ended up with five carries for 61 rushing yards and had an 11-yard punt return.
Kamara deserves all the preseason hype he has received.

A.J. Klein
There’s a reason the Saints plan to use Klein as an every-down linebacker.
Klein zeroed in on Melvin Gordon through a hole up the gut and hammered the Chargers' tailback for a 2-yard loss. Later, Klein drove a blocker deep into the backfield to flush Kellen Clemens from the pocket. Alex Okafor took full advantage with a blindside shot on Clemens for a brutal sack.
Klein picked up a half sack when he teamed with Sheldon Rankins to take down Clemens. Klein even downed a great Thomas Morstead punt at the Chargers' 5.

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Chris Banjo
The reserve safety won’t make the Saints solely because of his play on defense. Banjo knows he has to make his mark on special teams.
Banjo stood out twice on the coverage teams. He stopped the Chargers' Brandon Oliver at the Los Angeles 15 on a kick return and halted punt returner Isaiah Burse for a 5-yard loss. Banjo followed that up by swarming Burse on another return in the second quarter for an 11-yard loss.
A monster game for Banjo to say the least.

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voodooido 08-20-2017 11:36 PM

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I don't think Payton is going to be able to keep AK off the field this season. He reminds me of Thurman Thomas. Kid is a absolute stud. If not held back he will be starting by week 8. MIA will be gone next season.

jeanpierre 08-21-2017 01:10 AM

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I disagree with Holder's assessment of Ramczyk; it's his first professional game; he's going against Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram, two of the league's best edge defenders; he got two holding calls, with one for sure, would not have been there as Brees would've already passed the ball. The move to trade Cooks and select Ramczyk looks like a good one and will be better if we need to move Armstead, as we probably should with Peat and Ramczyk on the roster; with the right GM, we may be able to turn Armstead from a 3rd to a 1st round pick in return - and it's not like we're looking for another LT, but a RT, a little easier to find...

The Dude 08-21-2017 01:18 AM

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In pregame Deuce said he wasn't even sure Anthony was in L.A. Anymore.

The Dude 08-21-2017 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 760067)
I disagree with Holder's assessment of Ramczyk; it's his first professional game; he's going against Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram, two of the league's best edge defenders; he got two holding calls, with one for sure, would not have been there as Brees would've already passed the ball. The move to trade Cooks and select Ramczyk looks like a good one and will be better if we need to move Armstead, as we probably should with Peat and Ramczyk on the roster; with the right GM, we may be able to turn Armstead from a 3rd to a 1st round pick in return - and it's not like we're looking for another LT, but a RT, a little easier to find...

I thought the same thing about the holding call. Chase just hung on too long. He seems to have a habit of that. Ramczyk is going to take his lumps but I think he hung in pretty well. I think he will be fine. How bout that defense. We wanted to get to the QB and create turnovers, that's what we got. They were fun to watch even if it's preseason.
They seemed to rotate players in and out of the defensive line the first quarter when the starters were in more frequently than I remember in the past. Do you think this committee approach will carry into the season?

Crusader 08-21-2017 02:54 AM

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Ramczyk has a little work to do on his technique, he is lunging forward a little too much which allows the rusher to beat him. He also flips his hips earlier than he should instead of just continuing to set vertical.
That is stuff that he probably could get away with in college just by being bigger, stronger and faster than most everybody. Luckily that is quite easily corrected in practise. This was a good test for him and I am encouraged.

The Dude 08-21-2017 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 760074)
Ramczyk has a little work to do on his technique, he is lunging forward a little too much which allows the rusher to beat him. He also flips his hips earlier than he should instead of just continuing to set vertical.
That is stuff that he probably could get away with in college just by being bigger, stronger and faster than most everybody. Luckily that is quite easily corrected in practise. This was a good test for him and I am encouraged.

I noticed his shoulders get turned I think like you said with practice and coaching he will learn How to handle a rush

Crusader 08-21-2017 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 760076)
I noticed his shoulders get turned I think like you said with practice and coaching he will learn How to handle a rush

Yeah and his shoulders turns because of his hips. A good O-line coach will have this corrected. That was no slouches he played against thou.

CheramieIII 08-21-2017 05:26 AM

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The Ram has few issues and they can be corrected with game action. He's young and going up against 2 great defensive players doesn't do well for your nerves. He will calm down and be one of the all time greats for the Saints. You heard it here first sports fans!

ChrisXVI 08-21-2017 05:52 AM

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He missed a pretty important one who helped their cause: CB De'Vante Harris. He was starting on the outside in nickel and PJ Williams was sliding inside. I don't know if they're still experimenting and wanted to see how Harris would handle it or if they really like him that much but he shut it down. I originally left him off the final 53 but he makes it now.

K Major 08-21-2017 09:01 AM

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I'm starting to wonder about Anthony & Barnes even making the team. Swann has been officially upgraded to "bubble status" for me.

ChrisXVI 08-21-2017 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 760125)
I'm starting to wonder about Anthony & Barnes even making the team. Swann has been officially upgraded to "bubble status" for me.

Stephone Anthony's done. I don't know what the injury is that he's dealing with right now and maybe that cost him a chance at making the roster, but I just don't see him even beating out Adam Bighill at this point.

WillMacKenzie 08-21-2017 10:20 AM

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Lattimore did get shook out of his shoes once though

jnormand 08-21-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 760135)
Lattimore did get shook out of his shoes once though

I saw that. Lol. Probably will need ankle surgery. They both broke on that play. Lol.

K Major 08-21-2017 10:54 AM

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Anyone get a chance to zoom in on Special teams play ... specifically Chris Banjo? He was very, very good. Actually he stood out.

Tough cuts ahead.

K Major 08-21-2017 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 760135)
Lattimore did get shook out of his shoes once though

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they threw in Lat's direction most of the time he was in there, no? The guy had blanket coverage.

This could be a good sign.

jeanpierre 08-21-2017 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 760146)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they threw in Lat's direction most of the time he was in there, no? The guy had blanket coverage.

This could be a good sign.

His receiver was never targeted with the exception of a receiver he "handed off" to a safety and that play resulted in a sack...

WillMacKenzie 08-21-2017 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 760146)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they threw in Lat's direction most of the time he was in there, no? The guy had blanket coverage.

This could be a good sign.

Then again, give me a defense with 8 sacks, and I could blanket Odell Beckham for that long

hagan714 08-21-2017 05:15 PM

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If the Anthony 43 LB experiment is done, the Chargers maybe a good trade partner for him. They need a solid 34 ILB

ctsaint01 08-21-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 760061)
I don't think Payton is going to be able to keep AK off the field this season. He reminds me of Thurman Thomas. Kid is a absolute stud. If not held back he will be starting by week 8. MIA will be gone next season.

Wow! Very high praise right there! Thurman Thomas to me was the nucleus of that offense. He was so slippery, a mismatch nightmare & he never got tired. Let's hope that's who he becomes!

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CharityMike 08-21-2017 06:11 PM

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My 2 cents on Ram..had he not held on that first penalty, Chase would have gotten murdered. If it is a choice between not holding and getting your QB killed and just taking the flag and your QB lives, take the flag.

Papa Voodoo 08-21-2017 06:18 PM

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How Trey Edmunds didn't get included is beyond me. He put Lasco on notice. Ingram, Kamara, Peterson, and Edmunds is the best backfield in the NFL.

Danno 08-21-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 760218)
If the Anthony 43 LB experiment is done, the Chargers maybe a good trade partner for him. They need a solid 34 ILB

He has shown absolute zero that would warrant any kind of trade from anyone.

His future is either here, or as a free-agent reclamation project.

ChrisXVI 08-21-2017 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 760218)
If the Anthony 43 LB experiment is done, the Chargers maybe a good trade partner for him. They need a solid 34 ILB

They run Gus Bradley's 4-3 now. There's gotta be some team with a little interest in trading a late round pick for him though; just not sure who yet.

jeanpierre 08-21-2017 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 760125)
I'm starting to wonder about Anthony & Barnes even making the team. Swann has been officially upgraded to "bubble status" for me.

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 760126)
Stephone Anthony's done. I don't know what the injury is that he's dealing with right now and maybe that cost him a chance at making the roster, but I just don't see him even beating out Adam Bighill at this point.

I don't think Anthony is done, yet - but he's on notice...

Swann's bubble burst last week and it was cemented against the LA Chargers on the PI...

Barnes holds Armstead's seat warm...

I don't know about Bighill upsetting Anthony, but don't be surprised if Walton does...

jeanpierre 08-21-2017 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 760227)
My 2 cents on Ram..had he not held on that first penalty, Chase would have gotten murdered. If it is a choice between not holding and getting your QB killed and just taking the flag and your QB lives, take the flag.

If you count, time the play, Daniels held the ball waaay too long, and it was absolutely correct of Ramczyk to protect his QB...

Cruize 08-22-2017 06:28 AM

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-Williams showed why he was once rated as the top safety in his class.
-Anzalone has it. The potential to be special.
-Robertson has a chip on his shoulder and plays angry. Love it.
-Teo' is the real deal.
-Klein is the real deal.
-The defense needs a vet like McDaniel on the DL.
-Kamara is natural. Does everything smoothly.
-Muhammad and Hendrickson flashed. Future looks bright.
-Morstead is a weapon.

-Backup OL got whipped. Disappointed in Turner in year two. Expected more.
-Nassib competes. Just not good with slow, long delivery.
-Payton's bad clock management and misuse of TO's continue.
-Coleman hot/cold.
-TE's just need to contribute. Not so far.

K Major 08-22-2017 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 760274)
I don't think Anthony is done, yet - but he's on notice...

According to Deuce M, Stephone is closer to #5, 6 on the depth chart. He's not done yet, but definitely in trouble.

spkb25 08-22-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 760229)
How Trey Edmunds didn't get included is beyond me. He put Lasco on notice. Ingram, Kamara, Peterson, and Edmunds is the best backfield in the NFL.

What about Victor?

spkb25 08-22-2017 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 760303)
-Williams showed why he was once rated as the top safety in his class.
-Anzalone has it. The potential to be special.
-Robertson has a chip on his shoulder and plays angry. Love it.
-Teo' is the real deal.
-Klein is the real deal.
-The defense needs a vet like McDaniel on the DL.
-Kamara is natural. Does everything smoothly.
-Muhammad and Hendrickson flashed. Future looks bright.
-Morstead is a weapon.

-Backup OL got whipped. Disappointed in Turner in year two. Expected more.
-Nassib competes. Just not good with slow, long delivery.
-Payton's bad clock management and misuse of TO's continue.
-Coleman hot/cold.
-TE's just need to contribute. Not so far.

Yes, I had higher hopes for Turner, but he still has possible potential. What about Bryce though? Dude is terrible

halloween 65 08-22-2017 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 760250)
They run Gus Bradley's 4-3 now. There's gotta be some team with a little interest in trading a late round pick for him though; just not sure who yet.

Pats. They like to take chances on former 1st rounders. Funny how they can change their D to 4-3 or 3-4 and successfully make it work. BB came from a D background. I think he could shine in Houston and Pittsburg also. If I were a team needing an ILB playing a 3-4 I just sit back and wait to see if he gets cut.

jnormand 08-22-2017 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 760313)
What about Victor?

Yeah I thought Victor ran tough. Kind of a bruiser. I like him!

Papa Voodoo 08-22-2017 11:45 AM

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Victor did good but not what I saw from Edmunds.

Rugby Saint II 08-22-2017 01:10 PM

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Victor and Evans both impressed me with their quickness and toughness. They may not play as well against the number one defensive players because the holes will be smaller and the pursuit will be faster resulting in fewer yards. They both look good and I hope one of them makes it to the PS because we are flat out loaded at RB! :p

The Dude 08-22-2017 02:22 PM

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Edmunds looked like he got over excited and winded. I think it may have been adrenaline and anxiety though. Looks like he really wants it and has heart. Bet he plays somewhere for a while.

halloween 65 08-22-2017 02:30 PM

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Edmunds showed good vision, patience and power, I like this guy. Don't know if he goes to the PS he don't get plucked by another team pretty quickly. I sure hope Payton see's what he's got?

K Major 08-23-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 760145)
Anyone get a chance to zoom in on Special teams play ... specifically Chris Banjo? He was very, very good. Actually he stood out.

Tough cuts ahead.

Payton: Chris Banjo niche is contributing in kicking game. Safety who understands who he is

— Steve Geller (@SteveGellerWWL) August 23, 2017

K Major 08-24-2017 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 760303)
-Muhammad and Hendrickson flashed. Future looks bright.

I went back and watched the replay vs San Diego. Muhammad is shaping up to be a steal in the 6th round. He's making plays... a little reckless but the speed and quickness is there. We have good positional coaches now.

I hope we keep him.


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