Lack of respect for the Saints out there in some venues
 

I have been playing fantasy sporting games since many of our members were in diapers. In the early days most players were uber fans. They were all extremely knowledgeable in the sport of choice. It is understandable that with the popularity of the genre that this is no longer the case with the average player.

But what I find shocking is that the so called fantasy experts on TV and radio (I know, they are hacks) are all saying things such as "starting Sam Bradford is a must because the Saints' defense was one of the worst last season, blah, blah, blah."

Or "it is time to sit Drew Brees because their offensive line is missing several key pieces and he is missing most of his targets."

Or "you have to start any receiver you have facing the Saints because they were the worst defense facing the pass last season."

What? What a bunch of idiots. I do have to admit that more of the "real" football people are beginning to respect the defense. I heard today on NFL Radio Pat Kirwan say that he is impressed with what Dennis Allen has put together with the young New Orleans defense.

I guess what I am saying is use your own "educated" view if you are in a fantasy league. Most of the "expert" community are out of touch concerning the Saints today.

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I wonder how many games it will take before they get respect; assuming they keep playing like they did in the preseason... :doh:

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I'd say two games. If the Saints defense looks respectable week one against the Viqueens the fantasy world will remain oblivious while the educated press will note, but be hesitant upon actually expressing respect. But, when the Saints' defense produces enough resistance to allow the "weakened" Saints offense to pull out the win there may be much more respect. We'll see.

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What's the vegas line saying today? Those guys usually have a good feel for the season.

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Vegas lines are always driven by people's perceptions. Book makers' primary job is to balance the incoming money. They set the line so they are not over leveraged no matter the outcome.

So lines are always about how bettors feel about a game, not reality.

Of course this is great if you're a Saints fan and a gambler. Lots of bettors are going to be thinking exactly the same way that Guido's FF friends are.

BTW the current line looks like the Saints +3.5.

SFIAH

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Being a small market team with 3 consecutive losing seasons will do that to ya.

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True.... BuddyD used to always sprinkle in Vegas as part of his analysis. I remember his saying those guys were not the dullest tools in the shed and did not want to lose $.

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I haven't bothered with fantasy football in a couple of years, but I never paid much attention to the "experts". The only thing I needed were the injury reports.

All the matchups are obvious and don't require expert analysis. But it's mostly luck involved, and you just have to go with your best hunch and hope it works out. I hate what fantasy football has done to the real sport. Just about all anyone talks about on TV, radio, or even in person is fantasy football now. There are 2 and 3 hour shows of networks picking their fantasy teams. Why do they think anyone cares about their dumb fantasy teams? It's absurd.

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Because there is an estimated 44 million people in North America that play Fantasy Football so there's an audience for that kind of stuff

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Fact is, the last 3 years, the Saints defense has been at the bottom of the league in just about everything.

The other fact is, until you don't prove it on the field when it counts, everything is just speculation.

And third, it's freaking fantasy.

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And the other fact is that only two defensive players remain from two years ago and two of the three defensive coaches are new this season and the third wasn't here two years ago. Therefore, basing anything upon what happened three or two or even one year ago has very little bearing upon what will happen this year.

That is the point I was trying to make. People are lazy.

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You're talking about fantasy football, in general. I didn't ask why they talk about fantasy football (I don't live under a rock, bro), I asked why they think we want to watch them make selections for THEIR OWN teams. Who cares about somebody else's fantasy team?

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That disrespect will be gone after we beat the Vikings 27-3 and the Patriots 35-17

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People are often too preoccupied with what happened last season and assuming the same things will generally hold. I love especially when they talk about strength of schedule as if they are assuming teams will be as good or as bad as they were last season. Problem is, "last season" was 9-12 months ago. There is very little carry-over from last year and yet people write off teams based on last season and the teams they see on paper. Like, the Jets and Bears might be horrible this year, but it's not as sure of a thing like most experts are making it to be.

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Geaux, Brother Cher, Geaux!!!

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That looks like me after a 12 pack on Sunday when we win! I do see Angels in robes

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I've never played FF, just something I never got into. I will say after a 2-0 start, beating the Champs, the drums will be heard.

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From 2 years ago, off the top of my head, Jordan, Vaccaro, Kikaha, Anthony, Breaux were on the roster, so your first "fact" isn't a fact.

Then you omitted last year... why?

We all know that things can change in the NFL from one year to the other, and players/coaches come and go... BUT, again, you have to prove it on the field of play when it counts. And it's been a long time since the Saints fielded a decent defense. And until they field a decent defense when it counts, no one is going to acknowledge them for it.

And again, it is freaking fantasy. You are getting all worked up over what freaking fantasy "analysts" say.

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Exactly.

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Well this is exactly where it should be.

I mean lets face it the game is about wins. If you aren't winning then you're nobody. I learned some time ago 'don't drink the cool-aide'. I don't and try not to listen to the pundits and all they hype leading into a season. It is well documented how I feel about power rankings. They mean nothing! What matters is the win-lost records.

Right now we are 0-0

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I never play FF. Hell I barely have the time to post stupid cats and slimy dressed women.

2-0 will wake up the nation.... 4-0 will make them crap themselves.

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There's always time for titties and kitties!

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Good, let them not respect us

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To play fantasy football I'd have to know something about the rest of the NFL. The only players I know anything about are the ones that will play the Saints.

Screw the rest of the NFL and Godhell too! :argue:

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Well... you certainly ain't stupid because...

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My meaning was only two defensive players remain from before two years ago. 2014. The first year of the 7-9 run. Since then the defensive roster has undergone a 92.3% turnover and the defensive coaching staff has a full 100% turnover. The current defensive makeup in no way resembles what has been on the field over the past three years.

Last year is obvious. The top SIX corners lost for the season. A starting safety lost for the final four games. The first round defensive pick lost for the first half of the season to a broken leg. The 2nd round pass rushing pick from the previous year lost for the season to a torn ACL. The starting LB's were all slow. The DL and LB coaching staffs were idiots.

And I am not getting worked up over what fantasy "analysts" are saying. I said that the few shows I have followed leading up to the drafts reflected the same shortsightedness I have been seeing across the main portion of mainstream media.

Several of us around here have been noting the copious number of marked improvement being made in the player personnel and especially in the coaching staff of the Saints defensive unit over the off-season. Those improvements were obvious in the preseason play of the squad.

What part of this do you not see?

:confused:

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They aren't the only ones...

:bng:

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Oh, so 3 years ago. Ok...
So it has.

Ok.

Posting a thread about what fantasy analysts say with "lack of respect" in the title suggests otherwise.

Ok
I saw it all during PRESEASON. I liked it, and I do think they may have something, and surely hope what we saw translates into the regular season, but until they walk the walk when it counts, I don't fault anyone for thinking they may not be good, given the track record.

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Well..appears lack of respect is warranted. And to think I drank the kool aid and didn't start who I should have, pisses me off even more. This D deserves all the bs anyone has to say about them. Looks like all progress shown in the pre season was for naught. Lesson learned, start anyone with a pulse the Saints are facing until they can prove otherwise.

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Respect is earned and when was the last time the saints earned any respect. Insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results

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Well said. Sad but true.

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Well THAT didn't go well, now did it?

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No it didn't stranger. Where the hell you been hiding?

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2nd year FF. 1st year I got crushed. Kinda knew I would buy I worked the waiver wire and found some diamonds. This year, first game I destroyed everyone. Not even close. I gauge info from about 5 sources and call shots after I absorb all of it.

Kareem Hunt. I nailed that one this week but I am not buying the Saints hyped D or the offense. Until they prove otherwise for a couple of games the D still sucks. Snead was a massive slug to the offense. They will turn it around once they get him back and get some turnovers which is week 3. They also have to stop playing so damn conservative. Go for it on 4th and 2 on the GL no matter what the score. The D is not good enough to hold the line so at least give them an advantage.

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We suck but will still beat the patriots