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WillMacKenzie 10-16-2017 10:40 AM

Where's PJ Williams?
 
I wasn't able to catch all of the game, but did PJ play??

What'd he do to end up this far in the dog house?

dizzle88 10-16-2017 10:43 AM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 770297)
I wasn't able to catch all of the game, but did PJ play??

What'd he do to end up this far in the dog house?

He was in on some of the Special Teams plays. I don't know if it's dog house material, I just think SP has noticed we play better with Lattimore and Crawley on the outside and Vaccaro in the slot, as a part of the 3 safety set. It's worked for the past 3 weeks.

AsylumGuido 10-16-2017 10:50 AM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 770298)
He was in on some of the Special Teams plays. I don't know if it's dog house material, I just think SP has noticed we play better with Lattimore and Crawley on the outside and Vaccaro in the slot, as a part of the 3 safety set. It's worked for the past 3 weeks.

This.

jeanpierre 10-16-2017 10:52 AM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 770298)
He was in on some of the Special Teams plays. I don't know if it's dog house material, I just think SP has noticed we play better with Lattimore and Crawley on the outside and Vaccaro in the slot, as a part of the 3 safety set. It's worked for the past 3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 770300)
This.

Second.

WillMacKenzie 10-16-2017 10:56 AM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Yeah Crawley doing well, but I thought PJ was doing well too, pretty solid tackling, and he had that pick too.

Just curious why he had just basically vanished. Not complaining if we can keep getting turnovers at this rate!

dizzle88 10-16-2017 11:09 AM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 770303)
Yeah Crawley doing well, but I thought PJ was doing well too, pretty solid tackling, and he had that pick too.

Just curious why he had just basically vanished. Not complaining if we can keep getting turnovers at this rate!

I think in terms of a complete corner, Crawley and Lattimore are all round better players than PJ. I'm not saying PJ is a bad player, but he has trouble reading plays sometimes.

One example is the fake screen the Patriots ran, he was in man coverage and got caught looking in the backfield, Hogan blew past him and had a long catch and run.

He just needs some more time to adjust, he is good depth to have at least.

ChrisXVI 10-16-2017 12:01 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMQy0F_V...jpg&name=large

According to these snap counts Williams, Vaccaro and Bell never really came off the field.

Rugby Saint II 10-16-2017 12:53 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
He's hanging out with Waldo. :p

shawnkytonk 10-16-2017 07:29 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Heard one of the sportscasters bring up yesterday he was late for a team meeting sometime during the week.

hagan714 10-16-2017 07:57 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Breaux, Lattimore and Crawley will probably be our starters from here on out. Crawley has upset the apple cart at CB.

Breaux, Lattimore and Crawley

Can one of them can step up and play the slot? If so the saints secondary will change for the better. DA he has yet had the freedom with the saints secondary. Always hamstrung to 2 deep - 3 safety look.

Will we start to see the of two deep as the base defense?

I hope so.

Williams to become the Dime guy? He was a steal in the 3rd round but he must stay healthy or he may not make it to 2018 FA. Williams is on the IR watch list.

The rest are replaceable and playing to keep their job.

K Major 10-16-2017 08:22 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 770452)
Breaux, Lattimore and Crawley will probably be our starters from here on out. Williams to become the Dime guy.

I'm not so sure about that one. Breaux needs to work himself back slowly . The guy hasn't been healthy in several seasons. No way I'm changing what's been working over the last three weeks. At best, DB will add depth at the position.

No sense in rocking the boat.

hagan714 10-16-2017 08:31 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Breaux? your right. Nov? Dec without a doubt.

ScottF 10-16-2017 08:46 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 770311)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMQy0F_V...jpg&name=large

According to these snap counts Williams, Vaccaro and Bell never really came off the field.

Marcus yes, PJ no

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...0/fantasy/2017

ChrisXVI 10-16-2017 08:51 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
I haven't seen our secondary play with this kind of swagger in 8 years. PJ Williams and Delvin Breaux can compete for reps in dime, but this is our starting secondary:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMTZ-aCU...jpg&name=large

Tobias-Reiper 10-16-2017 09:58 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
I don't know where PJ was, but Crawley has been balling, and Lattimore looked like Rod Woodson (the Steelers version) last Sunday. No one is taking their places.

As for Breaux, I get the sentiment, but he ain't cracking this starting lineup, he may not even be activated this year.

SmashMouth 10-16-2017 11:00 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 770315)
He's hanging out with Waldo. :p

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/08/lol-duck.gif

SaintFanInATLHELL 10-17-2017 11:05 AM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 770463)
I haven't seen our secondary play with this kind of swagger in 8 years. PJ Williams and Delvin Breaux can compete for reps in dime, but this is our starting secondary:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMTZ-aCU...jpg&name=large

I do understand having the Big Nickle 3 safety set as the base package. But there have been some exploits of it especially with Vaccaro. Guys in the inside slot and matchups with pass catching TE are always an adventure with Vaccaro covering.

We have at least 4 CB that are outside cover guys (Lattimore, Crawley, Williams, Breaux). But who's job is it to cover the Welker, Edelman, Golden Tate, and yes the upcoming Randall Cobb type inside slot receivers on bunches and crossing patterns? Asking Vaccaro to do it is a crime against nature.

SFIAH

rezburna 10-17-2017 11:36 AM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
The thing I don’t like about Breaux is he isn’t a smooth player. He’s physical, but getting in and out of cuts he always looks stiff and clunky. He just lacks the swag of a Lattimore, Crawley, or even Williams. I hope to see PJ redeem himself and play the slot.

WillMacKenzie 10-17-2017 01:00 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 770538)
I do understand having the Big Nickle 3 safety set as the base package. But there have been some exploits of it especially with Vaccaro. Guys in the inside slot and matchups with pass catching TE are always an adventure with Vaccaro covering.

We have at least 4 CB that are outside cover guys (Lattimore, Crawley, Williams, Breaux). But who's job is it to cover the Welker, Edelman, Golden Tate, and yes the upcoming Randall Cobb type inside slot receivers on bunches and crossing patterns? Asking Vaccaro to do it is a crime against nature.

SFIAH

I was thinking the same thing about Vaccaro, I've seen him get roasted on a few of those slot plays and I can't help but wonder if PJ would have better speed to stick with them

nola_swammi 10-17-2017 03:53 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
It's funny how Crawley was considered last on the depth starting the season and now he surpass the 2 starters (Williams & Harris) of week 2.

vpheughan 10-17-2017 04:57 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
In Carmen Sandiego?

AsylumGuido 10-17-2017 04:58 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 770606)
In Carmen Sandiego?

Younger kids than I had. :D

The Dude 10-17-2017 10:14 PM

Re: Where's PJ Williams?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 770452)
Breaux, Lattimore and Crawley will probably be our starters from here on out. Crawley has upset the apple cart at CB.

Breaux, Lattimore and Crawley

Can one of them can step up and play the slot? If so the saints secondary will change for the better. DA he has yet had the freedom with the saints secondary. Always hamstrung to 2 deep - 3 safety look.

Will we start to see the of two deep as the base defense?

I hope so.

Williams to become the Dime guy? He was a steal in the 3rd round but he must stay healthy or he may not make it to 2018 FA. Williams is on the IR watch list.

The rest are replaceable and playing to keep their job.

Dumb question but if so would this free Vacarro up to roam in space more often?


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