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SmashMouth 10-24-2017 06:57 AM

Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
It seemed as though Tom Brady ended the G.O.A.T. discussion last February. As he overcame a 28-3 deficit to win his fifth Super Bowl ring, Brady had solidified his position as football’s Michael Jordan. He outlasted Peyton Manning, has more rings than Joe Montana, and looks better at 40 than most quarterbacks do at 25. His case for G.O.A.T. has been stated many times, and has convinced mostly everyone around football.

One of Brady’s contemporaries, however, might have something else to say about that. And it’s not Manning.

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Chances are, you’ve never heard Drew Brees’ be called the Greatest Quarterback of All Time. But a quick glance at his career stats would show that he is more than worthy of being in this conversation, at the very least. And a very strong case could be made that he is the greatest in NFL history.

Here are the numbers:

Brees currently has 67,763 career passing yards is within striking distance of Manning’s all-time record of 71,940. His 476 passing touchdowns and 5,988 completions are each third-most in NFL history, and he would need 312 more completions and 63 more passing touchdowns to have the records to himself. If Brees opts to play next season—he’s 38 and in the last of year of his contract with the Saints—there’s a good chance he can retire as the greatest statistical quarterback in NFL history.

All of Brees’ aforementioned stats are higher than Brady’s, by the way. Both players have similar sample sizes as well, Brady has 242 starts, Brees has 237. So based only on regular-season numbers, Brees is clearly the better quarterback.

Brees’ statistical accumulation has come by way of some of the best single seasons of all time. There have been only nine instances in NFL history where a quarterback has passed for more than 5,000 yards. Brees has five of them. This means that he has five of the eight highest-passing seasons in NFL history. By contrast, Brady has just one 5,000-yard season.

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The one area where Brees is obviously at a deficit to Brady, Manning, Montana, and most other quarterbacks in the G.O.A.T. conversation is wins. Brees has just one Super Bowl, and only 11 career playoff appearances.

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Euphoria 10-24-2017 07:16 AM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
I like to argue agasint this but its hard too.

dizzle88 10-24-2017 07:18 AM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
As much as I love what Brees has done for this team and how he has carried the weight of not having any help, some stats I believe have been left out of this article.

Brady - 471 TD's and 154 ints
Brees - 476 TD's and 224 ints

Brees has 70 more turnovers than Brady does, you could attribute some to the fact he hasn't had a defense for god knows how long, but the Green Bay game showed us something and that's that Brees refuses to be a game manager, often at the expense of a FG because he forces too many passes.

Ultimately, management wasted several years of Brees being at the top of his game, it pains me to say it, but Brady is the more reliable QB mainly due to turnover numbers.

44Champs 10-24-2017 07:20 AM

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We all love Brees, but Brady is GOAT.

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lee909 10-24-2017 07:46 AM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
It would be interesting if you swap them over. Brady joins Payton in New Orleans and Brees signs with New England when he left the chargers. I think Brees INT would be down as he would not be throwing so much. Both would still have been great though

AsylumGuido 10-24-2017 07:48 AM

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Let's see once both of their careers are over. Brees still has another four to five years left. Brady may not play as long.

jeanpierre 10-24-2017 09:39 AM

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Hey, I love the Saints and Brees doesn't get enough love as far as I'm concerned...

And though I'm also a long-time Patriots fan going back to the days of Steve Grogan, Mike Haynes and John Hannah, I've never cared for Brady's personality...

But what Brady did in that comeback against the Falcons in the SuperBowl - that was a bunker, rebar-reinforced cementing argument for GOAT...

QBREES9 10-24-2017 10:26 AM

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To me and many more he will always be the G.O.A.T Drew Brees.

Papa Voodoo 10-24-2017 12:03 PM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
I still prefer Dan Marino and Joe Montana.

saintfan 10-24-2017 12:22 PM

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What does it matter? ALL great players.

Does anybody here think Brady is better than Drew?

They're both amazing QBs - teammates, coaches, divisions, weather, tuck rules...so many things combine into the final product.

Tom Brady sucks because he plays for the wrong team. Drew doesn't.

Very simple...

The Dude 10-24-2017 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 771840)
Let's see once both of their careers are over. Brees still has another four to five years left. Brady may not play as long.

Here's the elephant in the room. If Brees continues to play like he has in the past 3 quarters it may be time to put Chase Daniel in...,,
It's obvious Brees had lost a step. He can't get downfield more than 20 yards and his accuracy is starting to go.

dam1953 10-24-2017 12:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 771906)
Here's the elephant in the room. If Brees continues to play like he has in the past 3 quarters it may be time to put Chase Daniel in...,,
It's obvious Brees had lost a step. He can't get downfield more than 20 yards and his accuracy is starting to go.

You obviously forgot the SARC flag...

AsylumGuido 10-24-2017 12:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 771906)
Here's the elephant in the room. If Brees continues to play like he has in the past 3 quarters it may be time to put Chase Daniel in...,,
It's obvious Brees had lost a step. He can't get downfield more than 20 yards and his accuracy is starting to go.

:rofl::roflmao:

Boy you've got your blind hate going today!

Can't handle the success, huh?

And what about that bet that you said you would take with you guaranteeing Brees would be on another NFL roster beginning the 2018 season?

Huh?

You are the only elephant in this room.

ScottF 10-24-2017 01:01 PM

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They have their guy, we have ours. Both make every player on the field better. Both have turned has-beens into stars.

With a better defense, Brees' numbers would be much lower, and maybe the rings would be doubled.

I've also felt Brees was more stat-driven. I know Payton ultimately decides who is on the field, but I look at some of the blowouts when Brees was still in. Two I remember are when we were beating the Colts by 50, and the Sun/Mon night game when we were killing Atl, but Brees was still out there throwing.

AsylumGuido 10-24-2017 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 771907)
You obviously forgot the SARC flag...

He's not being sarcastic. He actually believes this. He was claiming that Brees has lost his accuracy in a thread last week.

Well, after this week Brees RAISED his passing percentage from 68.1% to 69.1%, which is fourth (4th) in the league and two percentage points above his lifetime percentage that is, by the way, the highest in NFL history. He is also ranked fourth (4th) in the NFL for passes completed over 20 yards.

AsylumGuido 10-24-2017 01:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 771914)
They have their guy, we have ours. Both make every player on the field better. Both have turned has-beens into stars.

With a better defense, Brees' numbers would be much lower, and maybe the rings would be doubled.

I've also felt Brees was more stat-driven. I know Payton ultimately decides who is on the field, but I look at some of the blowouts when Brees was still in. Two I remember are when we were beating the Colts by 50, and the Sun/Mon night game when we were killing Atl, but Brees was still out there throwing.

They were executing their offense. Nothing wrong with that. I wish they would do it more rather than become conservative. Payton learned that from Parcells.

ScottF 10-24-2017 06:21 PM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 771917)
They were executing their offense. Nothing wrong with that. I wish they would do it more rather than become conservative. Payton learned that from Parcells.

I'm all for that AG, as we have certainly pissed away enough games because we can't sweep the leg.

But I'm talking about being up 55-7 in the 4th and your franchise QB is on the field. or being up 30 points with 3 minutes to go against a hated rival just looking to hit someone, and the $25 million man is throwing a touchdown to Sproles?

Danno 10-24-2017 06:24 PM

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Both are elite, but I don't recall Brady making nearly as many bonehead interceptions as Drew.

WhoDat!656 10-24-2017 06:47 PM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 771832)
As much as I love what Brees has done for this team and how he has carried the weight of not having any help, some stats I believe have been left out of this article.

Brady - 471 TD's and 154 ints
Brees - 476 TD's and 224 ints

Brees has 70 more turnovers than Brady does, you could attribute some to the fact he hasn't had a defense for god knows how long, but the Green Bay game showed us something and that's that Brees refuses to be a game manager, often at the expense of a FG because he forces too many passes.

Ultimately, management wasted several years of Brees being at the top of his game, it pains me to say it, but Brady is the more reliable QB mainly due to turnover numbers.

Brady is more reliable because he has played his entire career in a dumpster fire division; I guarantee you that if Brady had played in any NFC division he would not have near the success that he does now.

AsylumGuido 10-24-2017 07:57 PM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 771974)
I'm all for that AG, as we have certainly pissed away enough games because we can't sweep the leg.

But I'm talking about being up 55-7 in the 4th and your franchise QB is on the field. or being up 30 points with 3 minutes to go against a hated rival just looking to hit someone, and the $25 million man is throwing a touchdown to Sproles?

That's how we would see it as a fan. To the teams it is just another game finish.

AsylumGuido 10-24-2017 07:57 PM

Re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 771985)
Brady is more reliable because he has played his entire career in a dumpster fire division; I guarantee you that if Brady had played in any NFC division he would not have near the success that he does now.

This is very true.

Seer1 10-24-2017 08:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 771985)
Brady is more reliable because he has played his entire career in a dumpster fire division; I guarantee you that if Brady had played in any NFC division he would not have near the success that he does now.

That's interesting. Before they knocked the clowns down and stole all their lunch money, the announcer was saying the Pats had a ridiculous at home record somewhere in the 85% range against the AFC and were closer to 50-50 with NFC teams. But then again, stats are for baseball geeks...

jnormand 10-24-2017 11:30 PM

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The debate between the GOAT being Brady or someone else will always be there. But no matter what, I'll tell you what Brees has on Brady and both Mannings. He's not a whiny little baby. The title of GWOAT belongs to Brady and Brady alone.


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