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|Mitch| 10-24-2017 09:32 AM
Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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The New Orleans Saints were left for dead after opening the year with two losses, right in line with the script they’ve followed for three straight losing seasons.

But this year’s team wasn’t having it. A young core of talented players has fought hard, week after week, to show that they’re different. Now they’ve won four straight and own a lead on the division title.
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jeanpierre 10-24-2017 09:33 AM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
A younger, clear-thinking owner would have promoted Ireland and re-assigned Loomis...

73Saint 10-24-2017 09:34 AM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
Didn't Loomis promote Ireland and fire Rick Reprish?

hagan714 10-24-2017 03:57 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
calm down your horses. I will pass judgement when rookie contracts come due

SmashMouth 10-24-2017 04:24 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 771863)
A younger, clear-thinking owner would have promoted Ireland and re-assigned Loomis...
Are you suggesting Benson is thinking with the wrong head?:confused:

Danno 10-24-2017 06:21 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by 73Saint (Post 771864)
Didn't Loomis promote Ireland and fire Rick Reprish?
Yes he did.

Danno 10-24-2017 06:22 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 771955)
calm down your horses. I will pass judgement when rookie contracts come due
Horses say WTF?

foreverfan 10-24-2017 07:27 PM
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Seer1 10-24-2017 07:30 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 771957)
Are you suggesting Benson is thinking with the wrong head?:confused:
Bless his heart if he can still do that!

WHODATINCA 10-24-2017 07:57 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 771995)
Bless his heart if he can still do that!
LOL. Good one.

foreverfan 10-24-2017 08:21 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
Super Viagra Man to the Rescue. :bng:

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hagan714 10-24-2017 08:25 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
I am tipping my hat to FA signings right now over the last two tears.

DA getting Ireland to nab FAs

Klien and Robertson look to be huge steals

Okafor, Stupar and Te'o are looking like solid additions

Next up Gerald Hodges

These are the huge moves that have changed the saints over the last two years.

jeanpierre 10-24-2017 08:34 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
Free Agents signings are definitely getting better; only disappointments I have are:

...not that Warford has been awful, but I'd rather had spent an extra mil and gotten Zeitler who is more mobile and as effective in pass protection (even better with Brees)...

Losing out on Zeitler, we're forced to overpay for Warford because of those two being the onlyacceptable options on the market in a high-priority position for us...

...not vetting Nick Fairley's heart condition and rushing to extend him also took other options off the table for us this season...

...maybe the Payton/Loomis learned as attested by the Jon Dorenbos retracted trade (and saving of his life)...

...and then the Adrian Peterson signing which was at first excited because it signaled a commitment to run, but was reminded this is Sean Payton's team...

...with the Peterson money slot we could've signed, upgraded, or add'l linebacker and/or interior offensive lineman...

But none of the big albatross contracts like that of Byrd...

jeanpierre 10-24-2017 10:30 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 771957)
Are you suggesting Benson is thinking with the wrong head?:confused:
At this point, he's probably happy when some changes his diaper and wipes him down with a warm, wet towel...

Something Rita wasn't going to be able to do without drawing long looks...

QBREES9 10-24-2017 11:53 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
I don't care as long as were winning. Great job guys.

jeanpierre 10-25-2017 04:00 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
Sometimes wonder if the handcuffs were taken off of Jeff Ireland if things would've been different with Nick Fairley (better vetting)...

Utah_Saint 10-25-2017 05:35 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 772209)
Sometimes wonder if the handcuffs were taken off of Jeff Ireland if things would've been different with Nick Fairley (better vetting)...
Ireland's been here a year longer than Fairley, so I doubt it.

Seer1 10-25-2017 07:43 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
Don't most teams do a bonehead or two every year?

jeanpierre 10-25-2017 09:29 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 772299)
Don't most teams do a bonehead or two every year?
Well, because of Ireland, we're closer to the league average now...

Cruize 10-26-2017 06:39 AM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
After several years of below average production from the whole organization, it's way too early to crown anyone. The season is far from over. Lattimore fell to the Saints. Ram fell to the Saints because of injury. Kamara was all Payton. Klien was a backup who got paid starter money. Warford was paid top dollar. Teo' needed a new home after injuries and under producing. Lutz was a present from Harbaugh. Putting aside the heart issue, I didn't think Fairly was worthy of the money he got paid to begin with. Any way you look at Anzalone, right now it was a miss. The whole availability thing. Ginn was a good pick up. Williams was steal at safety. Hendrickson was a good pick. And Muhammad has shown promise. Lots going on. Not all good. Not all Ireland.

hagan714 10-26-2017 10:16 AM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 772209)
Sometimes wonder if the handcuffs were taken off of Jeff Ireland if things would've been different with Nick Fairley (better vetting)...
Nick has pegged with a heart issue draft day. So so good so lets do it I guess was the attitude. Medical before signing might have been wise in hind sight

hagan714 10-26-2017 10:21 AM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 772411)
After several years of below average production from the whole organization, it's way too early to crown anyone. The season is far from over. Lattimore fell to the Saints. Ram fell to the Saints because of injury. Kamara was all Payton. Klien was a backup who got paid starter money. Warford was paid top dollar. Teo' needed a new home after injuries and under producing. Lutz was a present from Harbaugh. Putting aside the heart issue, I didn't think Fairly was worthy of the money he got paid to begin with. Any way you look at Anzalone, right now it was a miss. The whole availability thing. Ginn was a good pick up. Williams was steal at safety. Hendrickson was a good pick. And Muhammad has shown promise. Lots going on. Not all good. Not all Ireland.

Putting aside the heart issue, I didn't think Fairly was worthy of the money he got paid to begin with.

I agree

Ginn was a good pick up.

I am amazed at his play the past few games and I hate jinx him by saying he has not had any drops

Brandon Coleman I will add to this group. Lining him up in the slot is brutal on defenses. He appears ready battle for more playing time.

K Major 10-26-2017 11:29 AM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 772445)
I agree

Ginn was a good pick up.

I am amazed at his play the past few games and I hate jinx him by saying he has not had any drops

Brandon Coleman I will add to this group. Lining him up in the slot is brutal on defenses. He appears ready battle for more playing time.
Hagan,
Glad you touched on this ... I re watched the Packer game. Remember the wheel route to TG Jr where he ran for 30+? Replay (Charles Davis mentioned it too) showed Brandon clamping down on his man that created the running lane. Or the last play of the 3rd quarter where Kamara received the hand off & found a seam outside the tackle created by Brandon. End result was 13+ yards and could have been more if he hadn't slipped on the wet grass.

It won't appear on the stat sheets but Brandon Coleman has played really well this year. He is a hell of a down field blocker.

AsylumGuido 10-26-2017 01:17 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 772443)
Nick has pegged with a heart issue draft day. So so good so lets do it I guess was the attitude. Medical before signing might have been wise in hind sight
They did do a physical before signing. That has been confirmed. It was a new issue which can arise at any time with persons having underlying heart concerns. It was simply bad timing.

The Dude 10-26-2017 03:08 PM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 772016)
Free Agents signings are definitely getting better; only disappointments I have are:

...not that Warford has been awful, but I'd rather had spent an extra mil and gotten Zeitler who is more mobile and as effective in pass protection (even better with Brees)...

Losing out on Zeitler, we're forced to overpay for Warford because of those two being the onlyacceptable options on the market in a high-priority position for us...

...not vetting Nick Fairley's heart condition and rushing to extend him also took other options off the table for us this season...

...maybe the Payton/Loomis learned as attested by the Jon Dorenbos retracted trade (and saving of his life)...

...and then the Adrian Peterson signing which was at first excited because it signaled a commitment to run, but was reminded this is Sean Payton's team...

...with the Peterson money slot we could've signed, upgraded, or add'l linebacker and/or interior offensive lineman...

But none of the big albatross contracts like that of Byrd...
Something tells me that Payton is listening to what other coaches/executives say more than ever this year. I don't know if someone came down on his m or if he finally set his ego aside. In any regard it doesn't seem like the same old Payton show. Big difference in half time adjustments alone.

CheramieIII 10-27-2017 06:20 AM
Re: Saints can credit 2017 turnaround to improved scouting under Jeff Ireland
 
It's not a turnaround until we go 10-6


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