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ChrisXVI 10-30-2017 06:02 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 773085)
No one has stepped up in the middle. None of the DT requires dbl teaming

We need a gap plugging DT that is good against the run.

Our LBers are to easy to get to for opposing OL

Thus YPC is to high.
That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait...

lee909 10-30-2017 06:08 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 773085)
No one has stepped up in the middle. None of the DT requires dbl teaming

We need a gap plugging DT that is good against the run.

Our LBers are to easy to get to for opposing OL

Thus YPC is to high.
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 773087)
Only seen little bits but looked likey they held the line ok baring a couple of broken big gains.

Agree though a true dominate run stuffing DT would be a great additions
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 773090)
That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait...
On this and my pointbthat the D line help up pretty well.

Take away the 2 big runs *Trubisky/Howard 96 yards.

29 carries 61 yards.

Jordan Howard 22 for 52

Need to stop the big plays.

Same in the air. McBride got loose 3 for 93 but half in one play.


Overall this group is definitely on the way up.


Biggest questions for me in defense

Does Vaccaro get paid
Big run stuffing DT
Re-sign Okafor
Fairley contract

Offense
Willie Snead deal?
New number 2 WR
Fleener cut
Ingram (cap casualty?)

CheramieIII 10-30-2017 06:44 AM
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We learned that the offense needs to be more consistent and sometimes we come up against a defense that surprises us just like our defense continues to surprise everyone even the critics!

rezburna 10-30-2017 07:12 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 773069)
Yeah, it's football, it's bad football. Giving up 5.1 yards/att is bad football.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happier than a fat boy with a fudge cycle with how the defense is playing overall, but giving up 4.9 yards per carry for the season sucks. And when it's mental errors or a lack of discipline, then it's just stupid. Like I pointed out earlier, it's not just this game. It's not a fluke, it's a tendency.

I'm with you on Graham. Not only as a red zone threat but we're not exploiting the mid field seam route like we used to. And we could use some serious help on third down. Wish I knew what was going on with Snead.
We just don’t have the quality of linebackers that we might have perceived preseason. They’re far better than the group we had years prior, but there’s a reason we tried to trade for Navorro Bowman. We’re still looking for a MLB. A.J. Klein isn’t really that. He’s average at best, when many of us thought he’d be elite in a starting role. How many picks has he dropped this year? That big run that gashed us was on Manti Te’o. He just doesn’t have the speed and athleticism to do what he was trying to do.

lee909 10-30-2017 07:14 AM
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There seems to be a whole new breed of LB these days from what i have seen. The smaller/faster LB are running riot.

Though i think thats partly why so many bigger backs are having a field day.

Imo Craig Robertson is the stand out LB of the group

rezburna 10-30-2017 07:32 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 773102)
There seems to be a whole new breed of LB these days from what i have seen. The smaller/faster LB are running riot.

Though i think thats partly why so many bigger backs are having a field day.

Imo Craig Robertson is the stand out LB of the group
Gotta have more speed. It’s been my biggest complaint with the Saints defense. Adding Lattimore and Williams to go with Crawley really bolstered the speed of the secondary. The linebackers are still pretty slow, but the defensive line is a little faster with Okafor and Rankins. They’re still not as fast as I’d like, but we’re starting to make the transition.

jeanpierre 10-30-2017 07:50 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 773101)
We just don’t have the quality of linebackers that we might have perceived preseason. They’re far better than the group we had years prior, but there’s a reason we tried to trade for Navorro Bowman. We’re still looking for a MLB. A.J. Klein isn’t really that. He’s average at best, when many of us thought he’d be elite in a starting role. How many picks has he dropped this year? That big run that gashed us was on Manti Te’o. He just doesn’t have the speed and athleticism to do what he was trying to do.
The one from inside the five yard line? The one where Williams had to work Jordan against the sideline? No, that was on Onyemata, and it's not the first time that's he's blown his gap assignment. And he needs to be told to not celebrate plays when he got gashed like that in the same game...

Crusader 10-30-2017 08:44 AM
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Speed is all good and well but remember the track teams we had under Haslett. They could run with anybody but couldn't play football for ****.

K Major 10-30-2017 09:26 AM
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Linebacker play will be addressed in the draft of 2018. While Teo, AJ & Robertson have played well, they are limited athletically.

Crusader 10-30-2017 10:10 AM
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Don't look now but:

Utah_Saint 10-30-2017 10:15 AM
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How about Drew and that potential TD saving tackle!! Good technique, wrapped up and drug the bigger man down. He could give Crawley and Williams a tackling clinic.

lee909 10-30-2017 10:16 AM
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Links dead
What was it?

SmashMouth 10-30-2017 11:05 AM
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hagan714 10-30-2017 11:34 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 773090)
That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait...
That is my point. Rankins needs help. But even then opening a hole in the middle of the saints defense is way to easy. Way to often I see an OL at the second level sealing off the lane.

A run stopping, sand in the pants DT will help the entire front 7

SmashMouth 10-30-2017 11:44 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 773090)
That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait...
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 773150)
That is my point. Rankins needs help. But even then opening a hole in the middle of the saints defense is way to easy. Way to often I see an OL at the second level sealing off the lane.

A run stopping, sand in the pants DT will help the entire front 7
Well, we had Jenkins... but he did not work out.

Euphoria 10-30-2017 11:50 AM
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I am glad you guys are calling out Crawley. I thought it was just me that was frustrated with his 'business decision' tackling.

nola_swammi 10-30-2017 12:37 PM
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Overall the defense is playing great. Holding teams to scores less than 17 points after the 1st two games and to be able to depend heavily on the defense the last two games for the W when the offense crumbled. Ingram fumbling most likely would've been the probability of the Saints losing without the improvements. This defense is getting better, they're young and hungry. I am guilty on speaking how Manti Teo missed his assignment & Crawley not tackling, I should be praising the overall performance. They got the job done and got the 'W'.

Utah_Saint 10-30-2017 01:09 PM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 773162)
Overall the defense is playing great. Holding teams to scores less than 17 points after the 1st two games and to be able to depend heavily on the defense the last two games for the W when the offense crumbled. Ingram fumbling most likely would've been the probability of the Saints losing without the improvements. This defense is getting better, they're young and hungry. I am guilty on speaking how Manti Teo missed his assignment & Crawley not tackling, I should be praising the overall performance. They got the job done and got the 'W'.
Yeah, it's like coming home from a weekend with Jennifer Aniston and complaining about her cooking.

Overall, this defense is playing like one of the best in the league. Maybe the little things are standing out now because they're doing most everything else right.

Crusader 10-30-2017 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 773171)
Yeah, it's like coming home from a weekend with Jennifer Aniston and complaining about her cooking.
She is a terrible cook thou. All I got was hotdogs and burnt Poptarts the whole weekend... :-D :-P

K Major 10-30-2017 02:16 PM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 773155)
I am glad you guys are calling out Crawley. I thought it was just me that was frustrated with his 'business decision' tackling.
I can live with the "whiffs" ... Ken has been good in pass coverage.

lee909 10-30-2017 02:25 PM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 773171)
Yeah, it's like coming home from a weekend with Jennifer Aniston and complaining about her cooking.

Overall, this defense is playing like one of the best in the league. Maybe the little things are standing out now because they're doing most everything else right.
If she cant cook a steak. Its time to look elsewhere

Im sure she will be devastated to find out

Utah_Saint 10-30-2017 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 773183)
I can live with the "whiffs" ... Ken has been good in pass coverage.
Yeah, his coverage has been outstanding. That's way more important in a CB than wimpy tackling.

jeanpierre 10-30-2017 02:54 PM
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Something for the Kenny V haters...

Euphoria 10-30-2017 03:01 PM
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What I learned is that I am freakin' estatic over this coming year's draft... hopefully we hit a few more home runs this year.

jeanpierre 10-30-2017 09:03 PM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 773085)
No one has stepped up in the middle. None of the DT requires dbl teaming

We need a gap plugging DT that is good against the run.

Our LBers are to easy to get to for opposing OL

Thus YPC is to high.
Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0

Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results...

K Major 10-30-2017 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 773296)
Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0

Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results...
Ellis was hardly the player Rankins already is. The guy is just getting started & has been disruptive. Take a moment to read Underhill's analysis on Rankins. It's a fair, honest assessment on his production thus far.

SmashMouth 10-30-2017 11:12 PM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 773296)
Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0

Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results...
https://media1.tenor.com/images/10d5...itemid=4850067

subguy 10-31-2017 05:50 AM
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Didn't we have Sproles when we had Graham? I mean Kamara is dynamic and I love the guy but to me the situation is similar. Yes, in the red zone Graham was a beast for us.

SaintGup 10-31-2017 06:22 AM
Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 773179)
She is a terrible cook thou. All I got was hotdogs and burnt Poptarts the whole weekend... :-D :-P
That's a disgrace! I certainly hope you didn't put out.

SaintGup 10-31-2017 06:24 AM
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it's almost like when you think you are going to shut out a team and right at the end on the final play, you give up a touchdown. That is what will be in your head for a long time.

vpheughan 10-31-2017 07:30 AM
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I'm haunted by that game in 1968.................leading by 65 points and the other team got a last minute score!!! Thus ended my career as "THE KID"

QBREES9 10-31-2017 09:02 AM
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We finally got one right. Lattimore is a shut down CB.

dizzle88 10-31-2017 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 773379)
We finally got one right. Lattimore is a shut down CB.
Our entire draft class looks pretty good this year.

Hendrickson is getting in on the action, I said when we drafted him if he could become a "kasim edibali" type player that would be great, I think he's going to be a good player going forward.

Cam Jordan had 0 sacks his rookie season, Hendrickson currently has 2 and a few batted passes.

Rugby Saint II 10-31-2017 12:49 PM
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I learned that KV gets winded when he plays every snap.

jeanpierre 10-31-2017 01:06 PM
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