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jeanpierre 11-24-2017 04:36 PM

Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 

ChrisXVI 11-24-2017 04:38 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 778524)

But the Rams are missing their only reliable WR.

saintsfan1976 11-24-2017 05:17 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
I would shelf both until we play division games.

dizzle88 11-24-2017 05:22 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
It's a bad situation and I'm quite worried, but at the same time remember back to 2010 vs Steelers;

All corners injured except for Leigh Torrence who was at best our 5th string.

We played 4 safeties and Torrence all game and came out with a hard fought win.

This game will show how well SP and DA can adapt.

WHODATINCA 11-24-2017 09:10 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
All I know is we have been burned by Tavon Austin before. Need to put somebody on him.

WhoDat!656 11-24-2017 10:01 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Rams will face a major challenge from Ingram & Kamara!

K Major 11-24-2017 10:28 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Rams have just as many guys banged up as the Saints. They're super thin at CB as well. Again, I expect a double digit win by the Black and Gold.

saintfan 11-24-2017 10:55 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 778563)
Rams have just as many guys banged up as the Saints. They're super thin at CB as well. Again, I expect a double digit win by the Black and Gold.

I don't know. They're no joke. I felt like we could cover for one of our corners, but for two? 'Bout to learn about our depth.

lee909 11-25-2017 03:37 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Top three CB all out
No Okafor

Going to need to win a shoot out here.
Hopefully keep them to field goals
Control the clock when needed with run plays
No turnovers

No a defense to have to rely on the pass against. They rush well. Need to keep it close

Cruize 11-25-2017 03:56 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
The pass rush is going to have to come up big in this game. Let PJ man up, roll the safties to the other side, and to help with Gurley.

hagan714 11-25-2017 06:14 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Go old school "Own the middle of the field"

Hammer them early and often. Makes no difference if they make the catch or not.

If a personal foul or two happens it is ok.

Gotta put fear into the WRs and get them to finch when catching the ball out of fear.

AA them.

Alligator Arms.

WhoDat!656 11-25-2017 07:23 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
May need Brees to win another one for us!

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-25-2017 08:15 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 778529)
I would shelf both until we play division games.

That's only one week. After this game 4 of our last 5 games are division games:

Kitties
Chickens (on Thursday night)
Jets
Chickens (at home)
Bucs (so bad they don't get a nickname)

SFIAH

jeanpierre 11-25-2017 09:16 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Don't expect these guys to be Lattimore, Crawley or Breaux...

But D*mn, they don't need to give up third and longs either...

K Major 11-25-2017 10:33 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 778568)
I don't know. They're no joke. I felt like we could cover for one of our corners, but for two? 'Bout to learn about our depth.

Having Vacarro and Klein back will be huge for us. Take a page from the Vikes last week ... roll the dice and blitz Goff. He's no Kirk Cousins. I'll never confuse the production of Okafor to Hendrickson but he's also good against the run.

As for as depth goes ... good thing we kept Kikaha ;-).

44Champs 11-25-2017 10:39 AM

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It's gonna be a tough game. Front D Line is gonna have to pressure, pressure, pressure

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saintfan 11-25-2017 10:54 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Starting to look like a score-fest. So, bet the under. LOL

Rams' Nickell Robey-Coleman doubtful, but Kayvon Webster expected back - Los Angeles Rams Blog- ESPN

Rugby Saint II 11-25-2017 10:57 AM

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I could see a ton of penalties in the secondary Sunday. Our young guns get a little handsy at times.

WillSaints81 11-25-2017 12:38 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 778530)
It's a bad situation and I'm quite worried, but at the same time remember back to 2010 vs Steelers;

All corners injured except for Leigh Torrence who was at best our 5th string.

We played 4 safeties and Torrence all game and came out with a hard fought win.

This game will show how well SP and DA can adapt.

The defense was playing well that season; Brees was not because of the MCL.

saintfan 11-25-2017 01:03 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 778612)
I could see a ton of penalties in the secondary Sunday. Our young guns get a little handsy at times.

I'm wondering if we will blitz less. I was supremely confident, but with both CBs down...I mean the Rams don't suck.

WillSaints81 11-25-2017 01:35 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
We need to finish 5-1 in division. I really would prefer resting starters against bucs than losing to one of the other two. But then again, Atlanta could still get in even if we sweep them and if we have to play them another two weeks later, I would not like those odds. Actually Atlanta would miss the playoffs if they lose to us twice and Minnesota and they are not lock to sweep the bucs or even split with Carolina. 12-4 with a Carolina split means Rodgers has to come back week 15 and beat Carolina.

In fact if Atlanta's fluctuating division record pattern continues, they will go 1-5 like in 2013 and 2015. That one win would be reserved for a Winstonless bucs.

Got off topic here but I would prefer sweeping Carolina over TB. If we go 5-1 in division we will go 12-4 losing one outside division game. Minnesota is currently a 2 loss team and they will lose to either Atlanta or Carolina and if Rodgers is back they will lose at Green Bay. Beating LA means 13-3 and we could take that bye from them. The eagles will lose to Seattle and Dallas remaining, but unless we sweep Carolina we can't win the tie-breaker, and I think they have some bigger wins such as the chargers who could end up 9-7 or 10-6. But 2 or 1 does not matter because eagles lack experience. I don't think we would lose at Minnesota because we already played that defense and we won't be playing Bradford but that's not the point, the point is holding off Carolina for the division. I don't want to go to Seattle or LA in January(most likely Seattle if they win at home). We know the drill with west coast trips.

I see the wild card race shaping up like this if we win division.
Carolina-12-4(one more loss to GB or Minnesota)
LA-10-6(losing to Philadelphia, Seattle, and Tennessee)
GB-10-6(if Rodgers is back week 15)
Atlanta, Dallas, Washington, Detroit are not getting in unless Rodgers does not come back before or against Detroit.
LA is looking at 3-1 AFC South, which screws them in a tie-breaker with either the packers or lions. The packers have already lost one to the AFC and should lose tomorrow at Pittsburgh. The lions have already lost to Pittsburgh and I don't think they win in Baltimore or Cincinatti.

So in the wild card round, we could be hosting Detroit or Green Bay. Playing a hot Rodgers.....no thanks. If LA wins division, even Seattle is screwed in a tie-breaker. That's more reason why winning this week can put that to rest and let's let the vikings deal with Rodgers and we can play Seattle or LA in divisional.

AsylumGuido 11-25-2017 05:53 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 778629)
We need to finish 5-1 in division. I really would prefer resting starters against bucs than losing to one of the other two. But then again, Atlanta could still get in even if we sweep them and if we have to play them another two weeks later, I would not like those odds. Actually Atlanta would miss the playoffs if they lose to us twice and Minnesota and they are not lock to sweep the bucs or even split with Carolina. 12-4 with a Carolina split means Rodgers has to come back week 15 and beat Carolina.

In fact if Atlanta's fluctuating division record pattern continues, they will go 1-5 like in 2013 and 2015. That one win would be reserved for a Winstonless bucs.

Got off topic here but I would prefer sweeping Carolina over TB. If we go 5-1 in division we will go 12-4 losing one outside division game. Minnesota is currently a 2 loss team and they will lose to either Atlanta or Carolina and if Rodgers is back they will lose at Green Bay. Beating LA means 13-3 and we could take that bye from them. The eagles will lose to Seattle and Dallas remaining, but unless we sweep Carolina we can't win the tie-breaker, and I think they have some bigger wins such as the chargers who could end up 9-7 or 10-6. But 2 or 1 does not matter because eagles lack experience. I don't think we would lose at Minnesota because we already played that defense and we won't be playing Bradford but that's not the point, the point is holding off Carolina for the division. I don't want to go to Seattle or LA in January(most likely Seattle if they win at home). We know the drill with west coast trips.

I see the wild card race shaping up like this if we win division.
Carolina-12-4(one more loss to GB or Minnesota)
LA-10-6(losing to Philadelphia, Seattle, and Tennessee)
GB-10-6(if Rodgers is back week 15)
Atlanta, Dallas, Washington, Detroit are not getting in unless Rodgers does not come back before or against Detroit.
LA is looking at 3-1 AFC South, which screws them in a tie-breaker with either the packers or lions. The packers have already lost one to the AFC and should lose tomorrow at Pittsburgh. The lions have already lost to Pittsburgh and I don't think they win in Baltimore or Cincinatti.

So in the wild card round, we could be hosting Detroit or Green Bay. Playing a hot Rodgers.....no thanks. If LA wins division, even Seattle is screwed in a tie-breaker. That's more reason why winning this week can put that to rest and let's let the vikings deal with Rodgers and we can play Seattle or LA in divisional.

Someone tell me if any of this is worth the time, ok? :confused:

Seer1 11-25-2017 08:07 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 778638)
Someone tell me if any of this is worth the time, ok? :confused:

It never is Guido. However it is worth the time to imagine the looks on anyone's face who actually does try to make sense of his drivel.

RedAlice 11-26-2017 01:01 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 778525)
But the Rams are missing their only reliable WR.

Saints look awesome. Lots of challenges for the Rams, however, no way is this statement accurate.

Woods is great, but it’s not like he is the only WR.

Barry from MS 11-26-2017 11:32 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Stopping Kupp will be huge this game...Goff will look for him even more without Woods.

Austin? Ehh...we've got more speed at safety & LB than before, but Kupp just gets open.

Oh yeah...Stop Gurley Early.

Seer1 11-26-2017 12:42 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 778708)
Stopping Kupp will be huge this game...Goff will look for him even more without Woods.

Austin? Ehh...we've got more speed at safety & LB than before, but Kupp just gets open.

Oh yeah...Stop Gurley Early.

Oh hell, just stop all of'em!

hitta 11-26-2017 12:55 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 778563)
Rams have just as many guys banged up as the Saints. They're super thin at CB as well. Again, I expect a double digit win by the Black and Gold.

While I think we still win, and I agree they are super thin also..... our defense is far more dependent on good CB play than theirs is. We don't get a ton of pressure up front and one of the reasons our defense has done so well is that we've played blanket coverage.

homerj07 11-26-2017 12:55 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
It was a tough game before this. Now it's even harder. No one is giving us a shot. Obviously both the D and the O need to be "ON" for this game.

ScottF 11-26-2017 02:00 PM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Allen really needs to be creative today, and we have to have guys on D taking chances. If we just try to line up on D and play we will be in deep trouble.

This is a game for Brees to win. Yeah, we have run all over everybody, but #9 is still our best weapon. If he doesn't force it today, we outlast them.
Saints 38-35

saintfan 11-27-2017 08:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 778611)

The under won.

:banana:

K Major 11-27-2017 08:20 AM

Re: Analysis: No Marshon Lattimore or Ken Crawley means Saints face major challenge vs. pass-happy Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 778708)
Stopping Kupp will be huge this game...Goff will look for him even more without Woods.

Yep, you called it. He made some nice catches. I was concerned about him as well. Runs good routes and can get open (something our guys not named Thomas can't do).

K Major 11-29-2017 02:32 PM

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Bump ...

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saintfan 11-29-2017 02:51 PM

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We need a "love" button.

Here comes FF in 3, 2, 1...

:banana:


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