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WhoDat!656 11-25-2017 09:19 PM

Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
I hope the Saints re-sign him to a long term contract!

And look, Kamaraís been incredibly explosive and versatile and fun, but Ingramís quietly been one of the most efficient and effective running backs in the league for years now. Going back to the start of the 2014 season, the former Heisman Trophy winner has racked up 29 rushing touchdowns (tied for third most league-wide) and 3,582 yards (sixth), yet heís remained mostly underappreciated by fans and the media at large, who have never consistently counted him among the NFLís elite. Hell, even his own team has seemed to undervalue himódespite Ingramís career year in 2016, when he rushed for more than 1,000 yards on 5.1 per carry and scored 10 total touchdowns, the Saints still went out and inexplicably signed another early-down back in Adrian Peterson over the offseason.

Ingram cracked the 5,000-yard mark for his career in the win; he and Deuce McAllister are the only two Saints backs to hit that milestone. He also moved past Ricky Williams for third in New Orleans franchise history in 100-yard games (13) and pushed into the second spot in rushing touchdowns (40). Through 11 weeks, Ingram now ranks fourth in the league in rushing yards (806), is tied for first in rushing touchdowns (8), and is fourth in yards per attempt (5.2). Heís first in Football Outsiders DYAR (total value), first in DVOA (value per play), and third in success rate (successful running plays divided by total running plays). Heís third in yards after contact per rush (3.2) per Pro Football Focus, and tied for second in the NFL in 15-plus yard runs (11) with a breakaway percentage of 36.6, fourth best in the NFL. And heís done all that while sharing time with Kamara and (briefly) Peterson. By pretty much any metric, Ingramís put himself among the elite this year.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/1...s-appreciation

QBREES9 11-25-2017 10:38 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Sign him, pay him.

saintfan 11-25-2017 11:30 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Somebody will pay him. I hope it's us.

WillSaints81 11-26-2017 12:05 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
I really don't want to speak out on it but I would hate to overvalue him because the offense we run. Kamara has a higher ypc and that's helping a lot.

SaintGup 11-26-2017 05:25 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 778679)
I really don't want to speak out on it but I would hate to overvalue him because the offense we run. Kamara has a higher ypc and that's helping a lot.

If you didn't want to speak out on it why did you? What was the point you made about Ingram by mentioning Kara's ypc? I have always thought he was never given the credit he deserves. He has a big heart, has been a good mentor to others and now, when he has been allowed to get into a rhythm, is producing. Of course it's the offense we run because if Brees was on 4,000 yards now do you think any running back would be a major part where yards are concerned? We are more balanced, we are not relying on Brees so it stands to reason our running backs are benefitting from it. Yes, it would have been preferable if you didn't speak out.

subguy 11-26-2017 07:22 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
So far Kamara has appeared to be durable, but he is not the every down back. Ingram has shown to not be durable in the past. We need two solid backs for the type of offense we run. I believe Ingram has proved worthy, this year, of keeping him under contract. I have a feeling it is going to cost us dearly.

MatthewT 11-26-2017 08:23 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Almost 28 with 7 years already on him, not sure if long term would be in the best interest of the Saints.

dizzle88 11-26-2017 08:23 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Ingram deserves the big contract, the two headed monster we have at the minute is unbelievable. Let's keep it that way.

AlaskaSaints 11-26-2017 10:40 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
I'm going to let the remainder of the season play out before sticking my foot in my mouth. I thought the corner was turned for Mark Ingram after a 145-yard game against the Cowboys a number of years back, but then he flattened out.

I think Ingram's motivation is knowing that Kamara may peak much earlier than he did, if he can stay healthy, and Ingram needs to fight right now to keep what relevance he has.

I am aware that their running styles are quite different. No need to point that out, and whatever happens here-forward, THIS feeling is quite awesome.

WhoDat!656 11-26-2017 11:38 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintGup (Post 778685)
If you didn't want to speak out on it why did you? What was the point you made about Ingram by mentioning Kara's ypc? I have always thought he was never given the credit he deserves. He has a big heart, has been a good mentor to others and now, when he has been allowed to get into a rhythm, is producing. Of course it's the offense we run because if Brees was on 4,000 yards now do you think any running back would be a major part where yards are concerned? We are more balanced, we are not relying on Brees so it stands to reason our running backs are benefitting from it. Yes, it would have been preferable if you didn't speak out.


vpheughan 11-26-2017 07:43 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Hey buddy, what did you use to hook all those? The B&G version of the "Pocket Fisherman"

WillSaints81 11-26-2017 07:44 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
I hope you saw the "elite" Mark Ingram today. And did you see what the RB opposite him did? Ingram is not in the same ball park as Gurley, Bell, and Zeke and Kamara clearly outplayed him today. This game reminded me of the last few years where the offense is under pressure or the oline is struggling and we see the real Ingram. Had it not been for Kamara this would be like Detroit and Houston's outcomes the last two years. We still lost, but it was not a blowout.

WillSaints81 11-26-2017 07:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 778693)
Our running game is the most important part of our team this week. We need to get our running game going. That can help us protect oru injured defense.

Our running game was indeed important. The defense played well though given the odds. I'm not impressed with this offense without good defense or Ingram facing the stacks.

AlaskaSaints 11-26-2017 08:29 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Like I said... We were out-COACHED today. Nothing more.

WillSaints81 11-27-2017 12:30 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
These are the kinds of games superbowl teams win. Think the patriots or the Rodgers packers loses this game?

Outcoached is one thing, but that also says SP is not a good coach and he's only here because of the Brees/Payton connection. If Payton can't call a good game plan against well coached teams then I'm afraid this team will definitely not win more than one ring remaining.

dizzle88 11-27-2017 01:06 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 779023)
These are the kinds of games superbowl teams win. Think the patriots or the Rodgers packers loses this game?

Outcoached is one thing, but that also says SP is not a good coach and he's only here because of the Brees/Payton connection. If Payton can't call a good game plan against well coached teams then I'm afraid this team will definitely not win more than one ring remaining.

Not true, every team has a let down few games.

See 2009 loss to the Cowboys and the lowly Bucs, we won the super bowl a month later.

voodooido 11-27-2017 03:06 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Good grief, he is having a great season but this post is Ridiculous. AK has out played him all season even know this is MIís best in the league. He is 28 and has 2 years left on his contract. What the crap would we sign a 28 year old to a 5 or 6 year deal? He is losing carries to AK as the season goes on. AK is a beast and is the future in NO. Keep MI through these next two years and let him walk

lee909 11-27-2017 03:28 AM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Isn't he a FA if he makes the pro bowl this year?

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-27-2017 12:21 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 779030)
Isn't he a FA if he makes the pro bowl this year?

Nope. Different trigger. It's either being in the Pro Bowl in 2016 and 2017 seasons or being named All Pro in 2017.

MI was not selected to the Pro Bowl last year. So the first trigger cannot happen even if he is selected this year.

As for All Pro, it's tough sledding when there isn't even definitive proof that he's the best back on his own team. What Payton said about Kamara is also true for MI:

Quote:

The only thing that is holding back Kamara from ROY is me - Sean Payton
truth is neither of them is the man and to be an All Pro, you have to be the man.

SFIAH

The Dude 11-27-2017 12:54 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
We have Lattimore and we win. Still an ugly game but I truly believe the outcome of the game would have been different.

Rugby Saint II 11-27-2017 05:05 PM

Re: Itís Time to Give Mark Ingram His Due
 
Ingram deserves a reasonable contract. We've hired different O-line coaches trying to find a coach who runs the system that suits him best. This O-line is tailored for him. He needs to be offered a reasonable contract without doubt.


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