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ChrisXVI 12-12-2017 04:40 PM

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blackangold 12-12-2017 04:49 PM

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hagan714 12-12-2017 05:24 PM

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ok i am scratching my head. no promising young bucks out there on a PS?

ChrisXVI 12-12-2017 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 781988)
ok i am scratching my jead. no promising young bucks out there on a PS?

Plus Darryl Tapp is out there.

Danno 12-12-2017 06:04 PM

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Vet insurance, the young bucks are still here.

rezburna 12-12-2017 07:09 PM

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I would go Dwight Freeney.

nola_swammi 12-12-2017 07:38 PM

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Why not use Muhammad?

Danno 12-12-2017 07:57 PM

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Why not use Muhammad?

Because he's raw and very weak against the run.

He will be used in the appropriate circumstance.

WhoDat!656 12-12-2017 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 781999)
I would go Dwight Freeney.

He signed with the Lions.

Danno 12-12-2017 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 782008)
Why not use Muhammad?

I view him kinda like Junior Gallete,

He already has the pass rush skills no doubt, he just needs to develop his run defense skills and I think he could be a stud.

He just isn't quite there yet.

K Major 12-12-2017 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 782008)
Why not use Muhammad?

Coaching staff may bring him along slowly. Eventually he'll get his shot .. maybe not this year. Remember Gallette didn't see the field until his 3rd season or so.

homerj07 12-12-2017 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 782023)
Coaching staff may bring him along slowly. Eventually he'll get his shot .. maybe not this year. Remember Gallette didn't see the field until his 3rd season or so.

Good point. Damn I hope this guy pans out...

ChrisXVI 12-12-2017 09:05 PM

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Why not use Muhammad?

This is the same staff who thought De’Vante Harris should be starting and Crawley should be inactive those first two games... So you know, they make some dumb decisions some times.

Rell&Gold 12-12-2017 09:44 PM

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Doesnt make sense to not get him on the field...at THE LEAST on 3rd down passing situations. He's "weak" against the run I beg to differ....his run defense CAN NOT be that bad to the point they fear if he's in the game he's guranteed liability. But Devante Harris gets PT... Ijs this is a wasted move. They are just prolonging "growing pains". Saving his mistakes for later down the road instead letting him get some PT and gaining some MUCH needed experience now.

Rell&Gold 12-12-2017 09:48 PM

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By the way Junior STILL never became an above average run stopper. Muhammad needs and by the looks of the pre-season EARNED some PT. Now he just stands on the sidelines w/ zero real game experience. Saints need to cut the $h!t.

nola_swammi 12-13-2017 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 782018)
I view him kinda like Junior Gallete,

He already has the pass rush skills no doubt, he just needs to develop his run defense skills and I think he could be a stud.

He just isn't quite there yet.

It's hard to say he is not there against the run if you haven't seen him play. If you're judging by preseason, the kid was exceptional in every aspect of the game, that's why he made the 53 roster cause he was too big of risk losing by trying to sneak on the practice squad.

nola_swammi 12-13-2017 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 782023)
Coaching staff may bring him along slowly. Eventually he'll get his shot .. maybe not this year. Remember Gallette didn't see the field until his 3rd season or so.

Understand his character flaw and maybe they're trying to develop him more mentally. With that being said, I don't see nothing wrong with giving him 5 snaps a game or just activating him to play ST

Rell&Gold 12-13-2017 08:05 AM

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Like what else could he possibly do to see playing time? Led the Pre-season in sacks, wasnt perfect but damn sure showed his worth. Alex Okafor goes down NO activation...Trey Hendrickson goes down they sign someone off the street...Activate the man. There is something else to this if he's not hurt. Maybe he gets activated this week...who knows

Halo 12-13-2017 09:45 AM

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I don't think people realize how much losing Okafur hurt the defense. He was silently killing the run and rushing passers. He opened the door for other players on defense to shine very brightly. I think they are looking for someone with balanced rush stop and pass rush abilities.

Hendrickson was hurt last week.

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In 42 career NFL contests, Johnson 61 tackles, six sacks, and two forced fumbles
Link from here on his stats

K Major 12-13-2017 10:00 AM

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FWIW Muhammad was last activated vs the Packers (10/22). He had 3 snaps & no impact. If he's active vs the Jets, I'd like to see his production on special teams.

nola_swammi 12-13-2017 01:15 PM

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FWIW Muhammad was last activated vs the Packers (10/22). He had 3 snaps & no impact. If he's active vs the Jets, I'd like to see his production on special teams.

You have to understand less than 5 snaps is to give him some game time experience not to see if he going to be a impact. No way any player can cause a impact with 3 snaps their rookie season. The kid need some game time experience, something to help you evaluate his talent. Maybe, they're trying to keep his value less in order to sign him to a longer contract, I don't know, but I'll love to stop speculating and see the guy on the field. He might just be a difference maker, and activating him could better help evaluate him.

Rugby Saint II 12-13-2017 01:35 PM

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This defensive line coach has done wonders this year! If the team feels the need to go outside the roster then they have their reasons.

The problem with playing him five snaps a game is that you would have been taking impact players that have gelled off the field, and a few snaps could have impacted the flow of the game. The coaches see Muhammed at practice every day. We've only seen him perform against second and third string players in preseason.

Edit: I don't know anything about George Jonson. I hope he's another good retread for the Saints. Don't forget our D-line coach is good and with a vet he might get the concepts quicker.

The Dude 12-13-2017 01:40 PM

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They will use him on 3rd down this week. We will see what he’s got.

jeanpierre 12-13-2017 01:53 PM

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I'd rather move Rankins to DE and see if he could bump his production there, bring back Justin Zimmer who'd have an opportunity for some snaps at the DT3...

K Major 12-13-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 782127)
You have to understand less than 5 snaps is to give him some game time experience not to see if he going to be a impact. No way any player can cause a impact with 3 snaps their rookie season. The kid need some game time experience, something to help you evaluate his talent. Maybe, they're trying to keep his value less in order to sign him to a longer contract, I don't know, but I'll love to stop speculating and see the guy on the field. He might just be a difference maker, and activating him could better help evaluate him.

I'm with you Nola. I've actually asked several times on this forum on "why isn't he active this week?". Apparently the positional coaches & staff see it from a different perspective than we do ;). All I know is that during t/c & subsequent pre season games, he performed better than the man in front of him ... even in mop up duty.

My guess is that he is activated either this week vs the Jets or Tampa.

saintfan 12-13-2017 02:11 PM

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I'm with you Nola. I've actually asked several times on this forum on "why isn't he active this week?". Apparently the positional coaches & staff see it from a different perspective than we do ;).

All I know is that during t/c & subsequent pre season games, he performed better than the man in front of him ... even in mop up duty.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking Jake Delhomme. Cut by Parcells among others. Couldn't crack the lineup here unless the guy in front of him was hurt. The coaches never saw 'it' during the week. Guy comes in and lights it up.

Some guys need to be on the field. It's just not an exact science.

QBREES9 12-14-2017 12:15 PM

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Hartford Ct Dwight Freeney. Would have loved to seen him in a Saints UNI.

QBREES9 12-14-2017 12:22 PM

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Hartford Ct Dwight Freeney. Would have loved to seen him in a Saints UNI.

turbo_dog 12-14-2017 03:15 PM

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I'm reading this and I'm thinking Jake Delhomme. Cut by Parcells among others. Couldn't crack the lineup here unless the guy in front of him was hurt. The coaches never saw 'it' during the week. Guy comes in and lights it up.

Some guys need to be on the field. It's just not an exact science.

I think of Ninkovich and Casillas. Seems like all of us saw potential and production, but the coaches didn't feel the same way. Then they went to other teams and shined.

foreverfan 12-16-2017 01:16 AM

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Is there an echo in here?

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nola_swammi 12-16-2017 05:00 AM

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#metoo is watching ;)

billyt81 12-16-2017 05:21 AM

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This is the same staff who thought De’Vante Harris should be starting and Crawley should be inactive those first two games... So you know, they make some dumb decisions some times.

Devante Harris has some great traits. Hes probably more athletic than Crawley. Crawley looks little out there. At first Crawley was a guy who was always close in coverage but never made the play. Crawley can run, he has great ball skills and he fights like every play is his last. I can understand that mistake. Its not easy to judge a players heart.

dizzle88 12-16-2017 05:36 AM

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Devante Harris has some great traits. Hes probably more athletic than Crawley. Crawley looks little out there. At first Crawley was a guy who was always close in coverage but never made the play. Crawley can run, he has great ball skills and he fights like every play is his last. I can understand that mistake. Its not easy to judge a players heart.

I don't know about Ball Skills with Crawley, he covers well and can run, but he seems to have Roman Harper hands.

K Major 12-16-2017 09:07 AM

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Devante Harris has some great traits. Hes probably more athletic than Crawley. Crawley looks little out there.

Harris simply isn't a very good football player.

K Major 12-18-2017 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 782056)
Understand his character flaw and maybe they're trying to develop him more mentally. With that being said, I don't see nothing wrong with giving him 5 snaps a game or just activating him to play ST

Nola,

Circling this topic back to life. Re watched plays where he was involved on yesterday ... athletically I think he's a potential beast however looking at him coming off the line, he needs a TON of work. After the first move didn't work, he was toast. No counter in his repertoire. Lots of development needed in his game but it was good to see Muhammad in live action on yesterday.

nola_swammi 12-18-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 783064)
Nola,

Circling this topic back to life. Re watched plays where he was involved on yesterday ... athletically I think he's a potential beast however looking at him coming off the line, he needs a TON of work. After the first move didn't work, he was toast. No counter in his repertoire. Lots of development needed in his game but it was good to see Muhammad in live action on yesterday.

I like your assessment of him. I seen potential, plus some unusual protection help. I figured since he was a rookie with no experience that he will have some one on one battles. He look to be protecting the edge, so I don't know his duties allowed him to do set up moves to go inside. All in all I like to be able to see him get some experience and hopefully this experience bring that beast out of him


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