Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 782179)

Who is preaching to you? You want to know the difference between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person where not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement.

Major difference.

Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 782182)

NO... its not. And please don't pull the "As a Christian" - I am too.

IF it wasn't Christian prayer if it was something Buddhist or Hindu or whatever, would you still be ok with it?

If the argument is "a disrruption of the entertainment value" then the religion is the same thing.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 782179)

Who is preaching to you? You want to know what the differences between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person were not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement.

Major difference.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 782188)

Major difference to you. I respect that. But you are obviously in the minority.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 782176)

'Guido, you clearly have no clue what is going on, and that's fine if ignorance is bliss to you. I have followed the ratings and seen the massive amount of negative attention the NFL has gotten from this whole thing. Stands around the league have been emptying, while you have been sitting in your chair pretending everything is great and making football your "god". You have demonstrated time and again just how naive YOU are. You cannot stand for anyone to say anything negative about your all important football team. You know why the people who still go to games are going? Because they are addicted to their team. I get it... I understand those people, but for you to suggest that they are all going because they don't care about the protests, is pure ignorance.

And as for this guy "making a point", as I said, whenever a customer is dissatisfied with a product, they tend to want to make it known. That does NOT suggest that he is doing this for the sole purpose of making a point. The guy isn't happy about what is going on, and he wants a refund. Should a point be made to the Saints and the NFL? Absolutely. It's become a political cesspool, and this is precisely why people like me are boycotting.

You clearly did not read the article word for word. It clearly says he went to the team and asked for a refund, but was turned down. You either aren't paying close enough attention, or you are lying to me. So don't pull that on me.

As for the season ticket prices, you seem to be missing a major point: While the lowest priced tickets might not be astronomical, you have to buy the entire package, as opposed to just a one time deal, and that gets expensive. But those "cheap" seats sell out quickly, and you are left with tickets that only wealthy people can afford.

As for your opinion being valid, I didn't suggest it wasn't, though I obviously disagree with you. But opinions, however valid or not, only make a difference when thy are shared with a majority. And so while you might choose to live in a bubble where nothing else matters as long as you are entertained, the fact is that you are not in the majority. I personally know people who are not boycotting, but hate what the NFL is doing. I can't make them boycott, and I won't attempt to. People will do what needs to be done when the time is right. Rome didn't fall over night, but when it did fall, it fell hard. Such will be the case for the NFL.

Lastly, this fan has a far greater reason to ask for a refund than the example you gave. Your example is something that is small and part of the game. This protesting is not only disrespectful, but it's a lie. They are pushing for justice where it isn't needed. They, along with the media, have brought negative attention to cops, which has helped to incite violence against police, and lead to murders of police. The NFL would not allow those officers to be honored when the Cowboys actually wanted to do something good to remember them. But they allow the protests with no consequences? Do you see my problem here, 'Guido?

There are a lot of things that you have not paid attention to, and you have just assumed that it's all a bunch of nothing. Pop that bubble, pal, and take a look at what's happening and ask yourself what exactly these players are doing. It is far from a trivial matter.

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 782195)

Soooo, why are you allowed to speak your opinion which might be valid and Guido allowed to speak his opinion which might be valid, but a player (who you happen to strongly disagree with) not be allowed to?

Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 782070)

He will lose. He should lose.

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 782301)

Don’t bet on it. The right judge at the right time and this guys a millionaire. For crap sake look at all the rogue liberal judges doing what they want. This guy might get a vet.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 782185)

Did you read my post? Did I not just say that while I have problems with the various religions around the world, I am not offended by their praying? I have seen it, and it did not affect me in the least. It would help you to understand my point if you simply go back and read through my entire post. It's not very long.

I also asked you, who is preaching to you? When a player says a prayer, is that in your face? Is it directed at anyone in particular? It is not a protest, and it is not done as a disruption. And what do you mean "don't pull" the as a Christian statement? What exactly am I pulling by simply stating my faith? And if you are, as you say, also a Christian, then why are you talking about not wanting to be preached to? What exactly is it that you stand for, then?